What is actually included in price for Artisteer users. WRT Themler - Billion Photos - Artisteer

Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 28 April 2015

What is actually included in price for Artisteer users. WRT Themler - Billion Photos - Artisteer

Hi,

Currently i am a little confused about what is being offered to Artisteer users. I.E. What is included and what is not in the discounted price for Billion photos and Themler.

Initially when i read the website i assumed that if i was already an Artisteer user and purchased the yearly additions that everything would be included, but its not clear about what i get if i pay this extra money.

Specifically, if i pay you the extra amount of your special offers each year, is anything extra free or if not, is it discounted. Or do i have to pay the same additional prices as everyone else who is not paying towards themler and artisteer?

I.E.

1.
Do the paid templates for artisteer and Themler become free templates, after i join?
Is that what i am buying or will i still have to pay same price for the themes even after if i pay you the extra for a yearly membership.

and

2.
The same question for billion photos.
If i pay for the yearly membership are the paid for photos free or do i still have to pay for them.

In other words if i still have to pay for the photos and themes at the same price as i can buy them today then its not so good a deal to pay the extra yearly charge! ...unless i really need Themler anyway. But as it seems it's all still beta and an online service the advantages/disadvantages are not clear i can not compare it with other products and services.

Also if i sold my own themes or photos to your customers i would expect you to take a commission at approx 15 - 25%.
That is because its your market place.

I guess in summary i am still not really sure what's included in the price and how i can proceed to sell themes & artisteer designs.

Regards
Andy

What is actually included in price for Artisteer users. WRT Themler - Billion Photos - Artisteer Hi, Currently i am a little confused about what is being offered to Artisteer users. I.E. What is included and what is not in the discounted price for Billion photos and Themler. Initially when i read the website i assumed that if i was already an Artisteer user and purchased the yearly additions that everything would be included, but its not clear about what i get if i pay this extra money. Specifically, if i pay you the extra amount of your special offers each year, is anything extra free or if not, is it discounted. Or do i have to pay the same additional prices as everyone else who is not paying towards themler and artisteer? I.E. 1. Do the paid templates for artisteer and Themler become free templates, after i join? Is that what i am buying or will i still have to pay same price for the themes even after if i pay you the extra for a yearly membership. and 2. The same question for billion photos. If i pay for the yearly membership are the paid for photos free or do i still have to pay for them. In other words if i still have to pay for the photos and themes at the same price as i can buy them today then its not so good a deal to pay the extra yearly charge! ...unless i really need Themler anyway. But as it seems it's all still beta and an online service the advantages/disadvantages are not clear i can not compare it with other products and services. Also if i sold my own themes or photos to your customers i would expect you to take a commission at approx 15 - 25%. That is because its your market place. I guess in summary i am still not really sure what's included in the price and how i can proceed to sell themes & artisteer designs. Regards Andy
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Support Team
Support Team posted this 28 April 2015

Hi,

If you purchase this offer:
http://www.artisteer.com/?p=new_products

You will receive a subscription for one year that will provide to you all the media files (photos, illustrations, etc.) from BillionPhotos. Once downloaded they can be used by you and you will be able to use them when your subscription expires. In this price also included the subscription to the .artx files on the BillionThemes.
Note: the exported templates won't be free for you, they can be purchased separately one-by-one. So this subscription includes the .artx files only.

Also Artisteer users can get the discount for the Themler application:
http://themler.com/Purchase/Index

With this subscription you can use the Themler application for a year (for further usage you will need to update) and the subscription for the media files on the BillionPhotos site.
Note: the amount of the images that can be downloaded per day is limited in each subscription.
So if you do not need the access to all the .artx files and you want to use Themler, you can choose this option. Feel free to try the free trial version of Themler.

Regarding selling your themes on the BillionThemler market. This option is currently unavailable, but it will be implemented in the future.

Sincerely,
Hella
BillionDigital Team

Hi, If you purchase this offer: http://www.artisteer.com/?p=new_products You will receive a subscription for one year that will provide to you all the media files (photos, illustrations, etc.) from BillionPhotos. Once downloaded they can be used by you and you will be able to use them when your subscription expires. In this price also included the subscription to the .artx files on the BillionThemes. **Note**: the exported templates won't be free for you, they can be purchased separately one-by-one. So this subscription includes the .artx files only. Also Artisteer users can get the discount for the Themler application: http://themler.com/Purchase/Index With this subscription you can use the Themler application for a year (for further usage you will need to update) and the subscription for the media files on the BillionPhotos site. **Note**: the amount of the images that can be downloaded per day is limited in each subscription. So if you do not need the access to all the .artx files and you want to use Themler, you can choose this option. Feel free to try the free trial version of Themler. Regarding selling your themes on the BillionThemler market. This option is currently unavailable, but it will be implemented in the future. Sincerely, Hella BillionDigital Team
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 28 April 2015

Hi Hella,

I think i understand now that Themler/etc are just a different type of Artisteer and an online version rather than a desktop.

But I am still confused with pricing, even after looking around the site many times i still don't really get how this works. I.E. What do you mean exported template files won't be free? So what am i paying for?


e.g
Note: the exported templates won't be free for you, they can be purchased separately one-by-one. So this subscription includes the .artx files only.


You really need a very clear comparison chart listing all of this on one place and showing clearly if extras cost extra even after you have subscribed!

Maybe you have a simple price list chart style PDF you can send me. Even one you use internally will help make sense of your website. Or something like this.
http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/e-commerce-online-store-builders-comparison-chart/

I just want to understand what each product costs and includes as follows.

  1. Price for Artisteer users and NON artisteer users

  2. Price for different versions of Themler, Createer, Artisteer, billion photos, etc.

  3. Once subscribed what is free and what is not free. On the one hand i'd expect once subscribed that there would be no costs for downloading stuff, but you seem to be saying there is still a cost! and i am not sure how that reflects on the various offerings.
    Themler, Createer, Artisteer, billion photos, etc.

I hope you can clarify this for me please.

Thanks

Hi Hella, I think i understand now that Themler/etc are just a different type of Artisteer and an online version rather than a desktop. But I am still confused with pricing, even after looking around the site many times i still don't really get how this works. I.E. What do you mean exported template files won't be free? So what am i paying for? *** e.g Note: the exported templates won't be free for you, they can be purchased separately one-by-one. So this subscription includes the .artx files only. *** You really need a very clear comparison chart listing all of this on one place and showing clearly if extras cost extra even after you have subscribed! Maybe you have a simple price list chart style PDF you can send me. Even one you use internally will help make sense of your website. Or something like this. http://www.websitebuilderexpert.com/e-commerce-online-store-builders-comparison-chart/ I just want to understand what each product costs and includes as follows. 1. Price for Artisteer users and NON artisteer users 2. Price for different versions of Themler, Createer, Artisteer, billion photos, etc. 3. Once subscribed what is free and what is not free. On the one hand i'd expect once subscribed that there would be no costs for downloading stuff, but you seem to be saying there is still a cost! and i am not sure how that reflects on the various offerings. Themler, Createer, Artisteer, billion photos, etc. I hope you can clarify this for me please. Thanks
Support Team
Support Team posted this 28 April 2015

Hi,

Themler is not an online version of Artisteer. It has a bit different logic and basis. And we have plans to release the desktop version of Themler in the future.

What do you mean exported template files won't be free?

I am talking about the themes that you can find on the BillionThemes site. On the BillionThemes site you will find the filter that will show you WP, Joomla, etc. templates, if they are not free, they won't be free for you after the purchase. But you will receive .artx files that you will be able to open in Artisteer and export to your CMS if you buy this offer:
http://www.artisteer.com/?p=new_products

Maybe you have a simple price list chart style PDF you can send me.

We do not have such comparison table. Please be more specific in your questions, then we could help you. Also feel free to try the trial versions of Artisteer and Themler to see how they work. Themler has another logic, it is more flexible and more mobile friendly as it is using Bootstrap framework to implement responsive support. It allows you to add different controls in any place of the template and customize each responsive view separate from each other. It also allows to create different templates within the one theme. You can explore some overviews in our documentation:
http://answers.billiondigital.com/categories/3909/getting-started

Price for Artisteer users and NON artisteer users

The price for Themler is listed here:
http://themler.com/Purchase/Index

There are several subscriptions available with the different prices. The difference between subscriptions is seen in the table. For the active Artisteer users the price will be with the 40% discount as listed in the link above.

Price for different versions of Themler, Createer, Artisteer, billion photos, etc.

We do not sell Createer, please refer to their support. The price for Artisteer is the following:
http://www.artisteer.com/Default.aspx?p=purchase

The subscription for the BillionPhotos can be purchased separately:
http://billionphotos.com/Purchase/Index

If you purchase the Themler subscription or the special offer for the Artisteer users, the photos will be included in that subscription.

Once subscribed what is free and what is not free. On the one hand i'd expect once subscribed that there would be no costs for downloading stuff, but you seem to be saying there is still a cost! and i am not sure how that reflects on the various offerings.

Please be more specific. I have already described what is included in each subscription and that is also described on each purchase page. Photos are included in any subscription (only the amount of photos downloads per day and quality may differ). Artisteer .artx files are included only n one special offer for Artisteer users. The already exported .zip templates for different CMSs from the BillionThemes site are not included in any subscription and should be purchased separately.

If there is still something not clear, please provide the more specific questions.

Sincerely,
Hella
BillionDigital Team

Hi, Themler is not an online version of Artisteer. It has a bit different logic and basis. And we have plans to release the desktop version of Themler in the future. >What do you mean exported template files won't be free? I am talking about the themes that you can find on the BillionThemes site. On the BillionThemes site you will find the filter that will show you WP, Joomla, etc. templates, if they are not free, they won't be free for you after the purchase. But you will receive .artx files that you will be able to open in Artisteer and export to your CMS if you buy this offer: http://www.artisteer.com/?p=new_products >Maybe you have a simple price list chart style PDF you can send me. We do not have such comparison table. Please be more specific in your questions, then we could help you. Also feel free to try the trial versions of Artisteer and Themler to see how they work. Themler has another logic, it is more flexible and more mobile friendly as it is using Bootstrap framework to implement responsive support. It allows you to add different controls in any place of the template and customize each responsive view separate from each other. It also allows to create different templates within the one theme. You can explore some overviews in our documentation: http://answers.billiondigital.com/categories/3909/getting-started >Price for Artisteer users and NON artisteer users The price for Themler is listed here: http://themler.com/Purchase/Index There are several subscriptions available with the different prices. The difference between subscriptions is seen in the table. For the active Artisteer users the price will be with the 40% discount as listed in the link above. >Price for different versions of Themler, Createer, Artisteer, billion photos, etc. We do not sell Createer, please refer to their support. The price for Artisteer is the following: http://www.artisteer.com/Default.aspx?p=purchase The subscription for the BillionPhotos can be purchased separately: http://billionphotos.com/Purchase/Index If you purchase the Themler subscription or the special offer for the Artisteer users, the photos will be included in that subscription. >Once subscribed what is free and what is not free. On the one hand i'd expect once subscribed that there would be no costs for downloading stuff, but you seem to be saying there is still a cost! and i am not sure how that reflects on the various offerings. Please be more specific. I have already described what is included in each subscription and that is also described on each purchase page. Photos are included in any subscription (only the amount of photos downloads per day and quality may differ). Artisteer .artx files are included only n one special offer for Artisteer users. The already exported .zip templates for different CMSs from the BillionThemes site are not included in any subscription and should be purchased separately. If there is still something not clear, please provide the more specific questions. Sincerely, Hella BillionDigital Team
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 28 April 2015

Thanks for the detailed response, appreciated.

Okay i've read all the links and have a few more specific questions.

I think these links have been confusing!
http://themler.com/Purchase/Index
and
http://billionphotos.com/SpecialOffer/Artisteer

What is the difference between the personal version of Themler and the billion photos offer?

Themler

  1. So if i buy the personal version of Themler $29.40 with discount then i would get fully functional Themler for designing ordinary websites and also Wordpress, plus access to FREE photos. And also Themes like this that cost $3.99 would be free as part of the yearly subscription?

  2. When will i be able to sell my Themes?

  3. When will Themler development and testing be finished. When will it go from beta to fully functional so i can be confident in my online designs working?

Photos

And then... if i additionally purchased Billion Photos for $49.95 i get access to all photos including vectors and all the photos that would previously have cost extra to download would be free.

  1. What size are the free photos on the Personal Themler edition?

  2. What size are small, medium and large photos?

  3. And when i am subscribed to the relevant Edition, are they all automatically downloaded in one single download, or would i need to do 3 downloads to get small, medium and large?

Thanks

Thanks for the detailed response, appreciated. Okay i've read all the links and have a few more specific questions. I think these links have been confusing! http://themler.com/Purchase/Index and http://billionphotos.com/SpecialOffer/Artisteer What is the difference between the personal version of Themler and the billion photos offer? Themler 1. So if i buy the personal version of Themler $29.40 with discount then i would get fully functional Themler for designing ordinary websites and also Wordpress, plus access to FREE photos. And also Themes like this that cost $3.99 would be free as part of the yearly subscription? 2. When will i be able to sell my Themes? 3. When will Themler development and testing be finished. When will it go from beta to fully functional so i can be confident in my online designs working? Photos And then... if i additionally purchased Billion Photos for $49.95 i get access to all photos including vectors and all the photos that would previously have cost extra to download would be free. 1. What size are the free photos on the Personal Themler edition? 2. What size are small, medium and large photos? 3. And when i am subscribed to the relevant Edition, are they all automatically downloaded in one single download, or would i need to do 3 downloads to get small, medium and large? Thanks
Support Team
Support Team posted this 29 April 2015

Hi,

Themler
1. So if i buy the personal version of Themler $29.40 with discount then i would get fully functional Themler for designing ordinary websites and also Wordpress, plus access to FREE photos. And also Themes like this that cost $3.99 would be free as part of the yearly subscription?
2. When will i be able to sell my Themes?
3. When will Themler development and testing be finished. When will it go from beta to fully functional so i can be confident in my online designs working?

  1. You will get the Themler application with the ability to create WP sites only and access to the free photos. Themes won't be free, they are not included in any subscription.
  2. Unfortunately there is no approximate date. Please follow the news.
  3. There is no exact date as well. The beta stage will be completed when the number of the reported crashes will be minimized. We are on the road to that. In any case a lot of our users are using the Themler themes for their production sites and do not have a lot issues about that. So that is up to you to decide when you are ready to use Themler themes on live sites.

Photos
1. What size are the free photos on the Personal Themler edition?
2. What size are small, medium and large photos?
3. And when i am subscribed to the relevant Edition, are they all automatically downloaded in one single download, or would i need to do 3 downloads to get small, medium and large?

You receive access to all photos and vectors and whatever available on the billionphotos.com.
1. The free photos are in different sizes as they are collected from the free resources and can differ from each other.
2. Again, the sizes are different on the concrete media file. So you can open each of them and see the sizes. For example, look here:
http://billionphotos.com/Media/Detail/1862562/clipart-Back-to-School-Education-School-School-Supplies-Blackboard-photo
3. After purchase you will be able to download each photo from our site separately. There is no package available. Note: there are restriction on the downloads per day depending on the edition chosen.

Sincerely,
Hella
BillionDigital Team

Hi, >Themler 1. So if i buy the personal version of Themler $29.40 with discount then i would get fully functional Themler for designing ordinary websites and also Wordpress, plus access to FREE photos. And also Themes like this that cost $3.99 would be free as part of the yearly subscription? 2. When will i be able to sell my Themes? 3. When will Themler development and testing be finished. When will it go from beta to fully functional so i can be confident in my online designs working? 1. You will get the Themler application with the ability to create WP sites only and access to the free photos. Themes won't be free, they are not included in any subscription. 2. Unfortunately there is no approximate date. Please follow the news. 3. There is no exact date as well. The beta stage will be completed when the number of the reported crashes will be minimized. We are on the road to that. In any case a lot of our users are using the Themler themes for their production sites and do not have a lot issues about that. So that is up to you to decide when you are ready to use Themler themes on live sites. > Photos 1. What size are the free photos on the Personal Themler edition? 2. What size are small, medium and large photos? 3. And when i am subscribed to the relevant Edition, are they all automatically downloaded in one single download, or would i need to do 3 downloads to get small, medium and large? You receive access to all photos and vectors and whatever available on the billionphotos.com. 1. The free photos are in different sizes as they are collected from the free resources and can differ from each other. 2. Again, the sizes are different on the concrete media file. So you can open each of them and see the sizes. For example, look here: http://billionphotos.com/Media/Detail/1862562/clipart-Back-to-School-Education-School-School-Supplies-Blackboard-photo 3. After purchase you will be able to download each photo from our site separately. There is no package available. Note: there are restriction on the downloads per day depending on the edition chosen. Sincerely, Hella BillionDigital Team
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 29 April 2015

Hi Hella,

If we buy the person addition of Themler to try now and later on we decide to upgrade to a higher edition will the 40% Artisteer discount still apply?

Also, is this list an accurate list of everything that's included in the personal edition.

https://themler.com/Features

Thanks

Hi Hella, If we buy the person addition of Themler to try now and later on we decide to upgrade to a higher edition will the 40% Artisteer discount still apply? Also, is this list an accurate list of everything that's included in the personal edition. https://themler.com/Features Thanks
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 29 April 2015

ps
Can the personal edition of Themler create ordinary websites as opposed to Wordpress websites. Thx

ps Can the personal edition of Themler create ordinary websites as opposed to Wordpress websites. Thx
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 29 April 2015

pps
Can i supply clients with CMS access and/or interface without installing Wordpress?

pps Can i supply clients with CMS access and/or interface without installing Wordpress?
Support Team
Support Team posted this 29 April 2015

Hello Michele,
1. if you decide to update to higher edition please contact support and we'll create special upgrade order with Artisteer discount for you.

2.the list of features and version differences is accurate

3.Themler does not create HTML websites, it does not depend on edition (personal or pro, etc.)

4.if you want to allow customers to access the content you may provide them with access to your WP installation (where content is stored).

regards,
Aileen

Hello Michele, 1. if you decide to update to higher edition please contact support and we'll create special upgrade order with Artisteer discount for you. 2.the list of features and version differences is accurate 3.Themler does not create HTML websites, it does not depend on edition (personal or pro, etc.) 4.if you want to allow customers to access the content you may provide them with access to your WP installation (where content is stored). regards, Aileen
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 05 August 2015

Hi,

I purchased Photos and Artisteer projects for 1 year at $199 less discount as existing Artisteer user. Order ID 150289

But now i see there is new photo software out. Is that is included or do i need to make another purchase and if so will i get a n extra special discount as i already purchased a billion photos off you.

Can i offer my own photos for sale through either Billion photos or Lifetime stock?

Thanks

Hi, I purchased Photos and Artisteer projects for 1 year at $199 less discount as existing Artisteer user. Order ID 150289 But now i see there is new photo software out. Is that is included or do i need to make another purchase and if so will i get a n extra special discount as i already purchased a billion photos off you. Can i offer my own photos for sale through either Billion photos or Lifetime stock? Thanks
Support Team
Support Team posted this 06 August 2015

Hello Michele,
I'm not quite sure what software do you mean. Is it Themler Desktop version

ThemlerDesktop.png

?

If so then you may test it in trial mode, but it requires active Themler subscription to save the themes.

regards,
Aileen

Hello Michele, I'm not quite sure what software do you mean. Is it Themler Desktop version !ThemlerDesktop.png! ? If so then you may test it in trial mode, but it requires active Themler subscription to save the themes. regards, Aileen
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 06 August 2015

Dear Support,

I have added more detail to my original post to make it clearer.

I purchased Billion Photos with Artisteer projects for 1 year at $199 (less discount as existing Artisteer user). My order ID 150289. But now i see there is new photo software out, LIFETIME STOCK. Is that or the photos ON BILLION PHOTOS included INSIDE LIFETIME STOCK or do i need to make another purchase, to get at a billion photos. If so can i get an extra special discount as i already purchased a billion photos off you and i assumed that would be everything! Just feels a little unfair that i need 2 x photos solutions when i assumed you would only promote and support all photos into one package. How long before i need another photo solution, etc. I can see they are different types of solution so maye you ahve a good answer for me. But what about a discount!

In any case will i be able to offer my own photos for sale through the market place of either Billion photos or Lifetime stock as i do with other photo websites!

WRT Themler - That was a different question, i think we may have crossed wires! Sorry i will re-phrase my Themler question below.

My question about Themler is similar. Can i sell themes that i create in Themler Desktop or Themler CMS and Artisteer through your marketplace, or are you leaving it up to us to create our own marketplace using different web design solutions and photos supplies.

This question goes deep, i know, so i hope i am not asking to much of your solutions now and in the future.

Thanks

Dear Support, I have added more detail to my original post to make it clearer. I purchased Billion Photos with Artisteer projects for 1 year at $199 (less discount as existing Artisteer user). My order ID 150289. But now i see there is new photo software out, LIFETIME STOCK. Is that or the photos ON BILLION PHOTOS included INSIDE LIFETIME STOCK or do i need to make another purchase, to get at a billion photos. If so can i get an extra special discount as i already purchased a billion photos off you and i assumed that would be everything! Just feels a little unfair that i need 2 x photos solutions when i assumed you would only promote and support all photos into one package. How long before i need another photo solution, etc. I can see they are different types of solution so maye you ahve a good answer for me. But what about a discount! In any case will i be able to offer my own photos for sale through the market place of either Billion photos or Lifetime stock as i do with other photo websites! WRT Themler - That was a different question, i think we may have crossed wires! Sorry i will re-phrase my Themler question below. My question about Themler is similar. Can i sell themes that i create in Themler Desktop or Themler CMS and Artisteer through your marketplace, or are you leaving it up to us to create our own marketplace using different web design solutions and photos supplies. This question goes deep, i know, so i hope i am not asking to much of your solutions now and in the future. Thanks

Last edited 07 August 2015 by Pixie Magic

Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 10 August 2015

Any news for me? Thanks

Any news for me? Thanks
Support Team
Support Team posted this 13 August 2015

Hello Michele,
1. the photos from BillionPhotos are available at LifeTime stock. But we do not sell the subscription for LifeTime, we sell subscription for BillionPhotos.

2.I'm not sure about selling your photos as LifeTime stock.

3.as for our marketplace, we're working on it. We'll announce it here on forum, so please watch the news.

regards,
Aileen

Hello Michele, 1. the photos from BillionPhotos are available at LifeTime stock. But we do not sell the subscription for LifeTime, we sell subscription for BillionPhotos. 2.I'm not sure about selling your photos as LifeTime stock. 3.as for our marketplace, we're working on it. We'll announce it here on forum, so please watch the news. regards, Aileen
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 13 August 2015

Hi Aileen,

Many thanks, so in summary.

  1. There is no advantage of having both a billion photos and a LifeTime subscription because both sites share the same photos?

    1. At some point i will be able to sell some of my own photos on Billion Photos?

    2. I don't want to pay to subscribe to Themler yet as it's still in Beta, but i will keep an eye on it's development and await further news.

Has anyone written an article yet on how Themler compares with Template Toaster?

If not do you think you could tell in brief summary what the main advantages of Themler will be over TT and vice versa as i am torn between staying with Artisteer/Themler and starting over with Template Toaster.

Many Thanks

Hi Aileen, Many thanks, so in summary. 1. There is no advantage of having both a billion photos and a LifeTime subscription because both sites share the same photos? 2. At some point i will be able to sell some of my own photos on Billion Photos? 3. I don't want to pay to subscribe to Themler yet as it's still in Beta, but i will keep an eye on it's development and await further news. Has anyone written an article yet on how Themler compares with Template Toaster? If not do you think you could tell in brief summary what the main advantages of Themler will be over TT and vice versa as i am torn between staying with Artisteer/Themler and starting over with Template Toaster. Many Thanks
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