Customers HAVE to pay for themler to do updates? Need "runtime" license for clients

David Lynch
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David Lynch posted this 18 October 2017

I am sure you have heard this before. Need PDF files that describe first an overview of Themler and it's philosophy about building web pages, and then step by step starting with the basics. I don't learn from watching videos. I am fumbling along, but it seems worth it because the pages I am producing are pretty decent.

My biggest concern is, when creating customer websites, if I am for some reason out of the picture, the customer has to have their OWN Themler account in order to publish basic edits to their website. There should be some kind of runtime license that lets them edit existing content but perhaps not allow major layout changes without a license.

I am sure you have heard this before. Need PDF files that describe first an overview of Themler and it's philosophy about building web pages, and then step by step starting with the basics. I don't learn from watching videos. I am fumbling along, but it seems worth it because the pages I am producing are pretty decent. My biggest concern is, when creating customer websites, if I am for some reason out of the picture, the customer has to have their OWN Themler account in order to publish basic edits to their website. There should be some kind of runtime license that lets them edit existing content but perhaps not allow major layout changes without a license.

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Support Team
Support Team posted this 19 October 2017

Hi,

I see your point. But unfortunately we do not provide such licenses.
If you're referring to the editing of content shortcodes then the basic changes they can made via CMS admin panel. All content (text and images) is inside the shortcode. This is not user-friendly but this is the only option unfortunately. Otherwise you need to create all content via CMS admin panel.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, I see your point. But unfortunately we do not provide such licenses. If you're referring to the editing of content shortcodes then the basic changes they can made via CMS admin panel. All content (text and images) is inside the shortcode. This is not user-friendly but this is the only option unfortunately. Otherwise you need to create all content via CMS admin panel. Thank you, Olivia
Seagull
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Seagull posted this 26 October 2017

I was just mulling this over as it does appertain to my situation recently. I've been very ill and have a lot of catchup to do on clients websites, because of the licensing issue they couldn't get anyone else to make their required changes.

How feasible would it be to make changes to the theme exporter so that there is an additional option to export a theme that will have a single use license tied to a specific website to it?

At the moment when exporting you have the choice to export a full theme with Themler with it OR just the theme only, what I'm proposing is something in between. Each person purchasing Themler could have a certain number of licenses with it depending on which tier they own and more single use, client only licences could maybe be purchased for a much fee than buying an entire license.

Not sure if I'm making much sense here though? Maybe it would generate an extra income stream for Theler too as some people might want to purchase a full license to make a new website once they get the hang of it.

I was just mulling this over as it does appertain to my situation recently. I've been very ill and have a lot of catchup to do on clients websites, because of the licensing issue they couldn't get anyone else to make their required changes. How feasible would it be to make changes to the theme exporter so that there is an additional option to export a theme that will have a single use license tied to a specific website to it? At the moment when exporting you have the choice to export a full theme with Themler with it OR just the theme only, what I'm proposing is something in between. Each person purchasing Themler could have a certain number of licenses with it depending on which tier they own and more single use, client only licences could maybe be purchased for a much fee than buying an entire license. Not sure if I'm making much sense here though? Maybe it would generate an extra income stream for Theler too as some people might want to purchase a full license to make a new website once they get the hang of it.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 29 October 2017

Hi,

How feasible would it be to make changes to the theme exporter so that there is an additional option to export a theme that will have a single use license tied to a specific website to it?

What should happen if the customer decide to move the website to another domain? For example, from test domain to production domain?
And in this case the customer will have all access to Themler features including exporting and creating new themes.
Themler and Themler themes are not linked to specific websites. You can use the theme with Themler on 1, 5, 10 or 100 different websites.
The feature you're asking for will require rewriting of Themler subscriptions base and some part of the Themler functionality. It is not so easy as you may think, unfortunately. Currently we do not plan such major changes.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, > How feasible would it be to make changes to the theme exporter so that there is an additional option to export a theme that will have a single use license tied to a specific website to it? What should happen if the customer decide to move the website to another domain? For example, from test domain to production domain? And in this case the customer will have all access to Themler features including exporting and creating new themes. Themler and Themler themes are not linked to specific websites. You can use the theme with Themler on 1, 5, 10 or 100 different websites. The feature you're asking for will require rewriting of Themler subscriptions base and some part of the Themler functionality. It is not so easy as you may think, unfortunately. Currently we do not plan such major changes. Thank you, Olivia
smh_60
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smh_60 posted this 13 February 2018

Hello,

So, do I get this right.

I make a website for my customer, customer wishes to make updates to the site using Themler not CMS admin panel. Is this possible if the customer buys a Themler edition, for instance the personal one. So making updates just require a valid Themler account and updates are not tied with the account the site was originally created with.

Rgds

Sirpa

Hello, So, do I get this right. I make a website for my customer, customer wishes to make updates to the site using Themler not CMS admin panel. Is this possible if the customer buys a Themler edition, for instance the personal one. So making updates just require a valid Themler account and updates are not tied with the account the site was originally created with. Rgds Sirpa
Support Team
Support Team posted this 13 February 2018

Hi,

Yes, the Personal subscription will be enough if you have WP site.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, Yes, the Personal subscription will be enough if you have WP site. Sincerely, Hella
smh_60
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smh_60 posted this 13 February 2018

Thank you Hella,

Few more clarifications.

So, I have edition e-commerce account and I can create a woocommerce web shop. In order for my client to update shop items on that site, does he/she also need a e-commerce edition account as well.

If yes, can he/she update other information on the web site (normal pages, posts etc.) with the Personal account. Just not being able to edit the web shop.

Rgds

Sirpa

Thank you Hella, Few more clarifications. So, I have edition e-commerce account and I can create a woocommerce web shop. In order for my client to update shop items on that site, does he/she also need a e-commerce edition account as well. If yes, can he/she update other information on the web site (normal pages, posts etc.) with the Personal account. Just not being able to edit the web shop. Rgds Sirpa
Support Team
Support Team posted this 13 February 2018

Hello Sirpa,

Pages, posts can be added and edited from CMS admin as well as wooCommerce products. Do you mean any changes in design for product pages or other pages?

Sincerely,
Nettie,
BillionDigital Team

Hello Sirpa, Pages, posts can be added and edited from CMS admin as well as wooCommerce products. Do you mean any changes in design for product pages or other pages? Sincerely, Nettie, BillionDigital Team
smh_60
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smh_60 posted this 13 February 2018

Hi Nettie,

Have I done something wrong. Missed something?

I have created the templates in Themler. Added content (text, images) there too. In WordPress admin panel I have created pages using that particular template and linked them to menu. There is no data in pages in WP. Not in grapfic nor in code, they are empty. Only place where I can edit any content on the page is in Themler.

I know I can create a template and then add content in WP but then I loose all fancy designs of the template sections.

Rgds
Sirpa

Hi Nettie, Have I done something wrong. Missed something? I have created the templates in Themler. Added content (text, images) there too. In WordPress admin panel I have created pages using that particular template and linked them to menu. There is no data in pages in WP. Not in grapfic nor in code, they are empty. Only place where I can edit any content on the page is in Themler. I know I can create a template and then add content in WP but then I loose all fancy designs of the template sections. Rgds Sirpa
Support Team
Support Team posted this 13 February 2018

Hi,

Make sure that you have added the content into the green content area inside Themler. Then it becomes the content and will be visible in the page editor inside WP as well.
Maybe you have added the content into the blue template area. Then it becomes the part of the template and is a static content that is not editable from the WP admin.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, Make sure that you have added the content into the green content area inside Themler. Then it becomes the content and will be visible in the page editor inside WP as well. Maybe you have added the content into the blue template area. Then it becomes the part of the template and is a static content that is not editable from the WP admin. Sincerely, Hella
smh_60
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smh_60 posted this 13 February 2018

Hi,

Not sure what you mean with blue and green area.

In the left side of the screen where I have the sections, there is small squares in front of the template area. Header and footer have orange square and the other parts of the template have blue square. So apparently I am using the blue area.

How, where I can select the green area...?

Sirpa

Hi, Not sure what you mean with blue and green area. In the left side of the screen where I have the sections, there is small squares in front of the template area. Header and footer have orange square and the other parts of the template have blue square. So apparently I am using the blue area. How, where I can select the green area...? Sirpa
smh_60
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smh_60 posted this 13 February 2018

Hi,

Okey, I found another website where I have used the "green area". Still don't quite understand how I have selected each of them. Green or blue. How it shows in the WP admin panel is like in the attachment.

I guess this is the "best" we can get in WP admin panel to do updates. Which of course is not very good with all the code which are very easy to mess up. Cannot give that for a customer and ask to make changes there.

So my additional question still stands:

If I have edition e-commerce account and I can create a woocommerce web shop. In order for my client to update shop items on that site, does he/she also need a e-commerce edition account as well.

If yes, can he/she update other information on the web site (normal pages, posts etc.) with the Personal account. Just not being able to edit the web shop.

There needs to be a Themler edition account for customers to do changes themselves, the view in WP admin is simply too difficult for them to make changes safely.

Rgds
Sirpa

Hi, Okey, I found another website where I have used the "green area". Still don't quite understand how I have selected each of them. Green or blue. How it shows in the WP admin panel is like in the attachment. I guess this is the "best" we can get in WP admin panel to do updates. Which of course is not very good with all the code which are very easy to mess up. Cannot give that for a customer and ask to make changes there. So my additional question still stands: If I have edition e-commerce account and I can create a woocommerce web shop. In order for my client to update shop items on that site, does he/she also need a e-commerce edition account as well. If yes, can he/she update other information on the web site (normal pages, posts etc.) with the Personal account. Just not being able to edit the web shop. There needs to be a Themler edition account for customers to do changes themselves, the view in WP admin is simply too difficult for them to make changes safely. Rgds Sirpa
smh_60
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smh_60 posted this 14 February 2018

One more question to the above.

If I purchase a personal license for my customer for editing purposes. I can still use my higher edition account to do more demanding changes, can't I? So that these two accounts do not interfere with each other in any way, like preventing me to do those more demanding changes?

Rgds
Sirpa

One more question to the above. If I purchase a personal license for my customer for editing purposes. I can still use my higher edition account to do more demanding changes, can't I? So that these two accounts do not interfere with each other in any way, like preventing me to do those more demanding changes? Rgds Sirpa
Support Team
Support Team posted this 21 February 2018

Hi,

Unfortunately that is not possible. If you sell the theme that includes shop templates and they are used on the site, then any other person opening Themler on that site will need also E-Commerce subscription or higher. Unless they will need to remove shop templates from the WP theme. In this case they will be able to save the theme but then the shop pages won't be styled from the Themler theme. If you create a simple WP theme with your license, then your customer can buy the Personal subscription and edit the content and template with no issues.

As for the green area, you need to activate the Insert >> Content and Sidebars >> CMS Content option in order to see the green content area.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, Unfortunately that is not possible. If you sell the theme that includes shop templates and they are used on the site, then any other person opening Themler on that site will need also E-Commerce subscription or higher. Unless they will need to remove shop templates from the WP theme. In this case they will be able to save the theme but then the shop pages won't be styled from the Themler theme. If you create a simple WP theme with your license, then your customer can buy the Personal subscription and edit the content and template with no issues. As for the green area, you need to activate the Insert >> Content and Sidebars >> CMS Content option in order to see the green content area. Sincerely, Hella
smh_60
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smh_60 posted this 21 February 2018

Hi Hella,

OK. Thank you for clarification.

Can I create a template for all other pages with Themler and e-commerce with woocommerce purely on WP admin side. I guess you can set up some layouts with woocommerce itself.

Rgds

Sirpa

Hi Hella, OK. Thank you for clarification. Can I create a template for all other pages with Themler and e-commerce with woocommerce purely on WP admin side. I guess you can set up some layouts with woocommerce itself. Rgds Sirpa
Support Team
Support Team posted this 22 February 2018

Hi,

You can create a simple WP theme, then it won't be applied to the WooCommerce pages. Then style them using WP options. In this case your customer will be able to access Themler with the Personal subscription and edit the theme and content for the WP page (not for the shop).

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, You can create a simple WP theme, then it won't be applied to the WooCommerce pages. Then style them using WP options. In this case your customer will be able to access Themler with the Personal subscription and edit the theme and content for the WP page (not for the shop). Sincerely, Hella
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