Themler - Template Toaster or stick with Artisteer?

Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 02 January 2018

I get on really well with Artisteer building websites for clients although I have never been a fan of Wordpress, so 50% of projects are standalone websites and I only use WP, when clients really need a CMS. I have toyed with moving over to Themler (and even purchased product), but the lack of a quick start manual or decent video instructions (+ silly music), has left me unsure that this product will be any quicker or better than Artisteer.

Now i have read good things about TemplateToaster, see head to head review - https://templatetoastervsartisteer.wordpress.com/
...and wanted to check with Themler support if they have written a response to the TemplateToaster comparison with Themler before i move forward.

I also hear reasonable things about Squarespace, Wix. Weebly, Duda and such like, but as they charge per site i feel they are of no use for web designers. Any alternative views?

From my research so far i feel my best bet is to either go with Template Toaster or Themler, but lack of positive reviews and poor instructions is currently leaning me over to template Toaster.

Also does anyone have any views on which e-commerce solution is the best way forward?
Shopify or Actinic? ...or perhaps Woo Commerce or something else that links with Themler?

All suggestions, review links and facts appreciated.

Many Thanks

I get on really well with Artisteer building websites for clients although I have never been a fan of Wordpress, so 50% of projects are standalone websites and I only use WP, when clients really need a CMS. I have toyed with moving over to Themler (and even purchased product), but the lack of a quick start manual or decent video instructions (+ silly music), has left me unsure that this product will be any quicker or better than Artisteer. Now i have read good things about TemplateToaster, see head to head review - https://templatetoastervsartisteer.wordpress.com/ ...and wanted to check with Themler support if they have written a response to the TemplateToaster comparison with Themler before i move forward. I also hear reasonable things about Squarespace, Wix. Weebly, Duda and such like, but as they charge per site i feel they are of no use for web designers. Any alternative views? From my research so far i feel my best bet is to either go with Template Toaster or Themler, but lack of positive reviews and poor instructions is currently leaning me over to template Toaster. Also does anyone have any views on which e-commerce solution is the best way forward? Shopify or Actinic? ...or perhaps Woo Commerce or something else that links with Themler? All suggestions, review links and facts appreciated. Many Thanks
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lynnmonk
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lynnmonk posted this 12 April 2018

I used Artisteer for a number of years. It is very intuitive and I was knocking out websites in no time at all. But my clients wanted sites that were more modern-looking, so I turned to Themler. What a difference! Over 3 months so far just struggling to make a template for my sites! The total lack of anything logical, coupled with a lack of decent tutorials, plus an infinite number of menus all with very similar controls, have led me to make mistake after mistake. I've built my template from the ground up more times than I care to remember. But I am getting my head around it slowly. I've now moved it to a live site to finish work on it and was most annoyed to discover that it doesn't move all the plugins and plugin settings with it. Not only that, but it failed to import my content as well. Good job it was only sample content and not a real site.

I still have issues even now. My menus aren't working properly. I can't figure out how to display category pages and my blogs are all duplicated. but for the benefit of other newbies, I'm going to tell you what I've discovered that needs watching out for...

  1. There is an order to placing items on a page that works better than others. SECTION > COLUMNS > CONTAINER > CONTENT. It is quite possible to put content directly into a section, or a column, or a container without the other things, but in doing so I found that things never stayed where I put them. Everytime I added more content or changed the size of the page it would move stuff to a completely different place.

  2. I've found that occasionally a large margin would mysteriously appear that moved an object to a different location. It is a real struggle to find which particular menu this margin had put itself in. I have since found it best to set all margins to zero and use only padding on the objects as necesssary.

  3. DON'T DELETE ANYTHING! I was totally confused as to why pages that I had completed, would suddenly have things missing when I next viewed them. Now I realise that i have to treat it a bit more like an HTML site. After all this time getting used to CMS making all the major changes, I now realise I need to create a different page for each individual design. If a page doesn't use a sidebar or section, I must remember not to delete it. Instead there is a menu somewhere that will allow you to switch it off on certain pages. Deleting something from a page will delete it from EVERY page that uses it!!!

I have no use for a white label CMS as I need the plugins that come with Wordpress. However, there is a plugin I use that hides all the wordpress paraphenalia and allows me to create a custom dashboard and login screen specifically for my clients. Until I read this thread, I'd never heard of TT, although I was considering another one that I think is called "Coffee Cup" However, having come this far with Themler, I think I'll have to see it through and hope that my clients are suitably impressed with the results ... Eventually!

I used Artisteer for a number of years. It is very intuitive and I was knocking out websites in no time at all. But my clients wanted sites that were more modern-looking, so I turned to Themler. What a difference! Over 3 months so far just struggling to make a template for my sites! The total lack of anything logical, coupled with a lack of decent tutorials, plus an infinite number of menus all with very similar controls, have led me to make mistake after mistake. I've built my template from the ground up more times than I care to remember. But I am getting my head around it slowly. I've now moved it to a live site to finish work on it and was most annoyed to discover that it doesn't move all the plugins and plugin settings with it. Not only that, but it failed to import my content as well. Good job it was only sample content and not a real site. I still have issues even now. My menus aren't working properly. I can't figure out how to display category pages and my blogs are all duplicated. but for the benefit of other newbies, I'm going to tell you what I've discovered that needs watching out for... 1. There is an order to placing items on a page that works better than others. SECTION > COLUMNS > CONTAINER > CONTENT. It is quite possible to put content directly into a section, or a column, or a container without the other things, but in doing so I found that things never stayed where I put them. Everytime I added more content or changed the size of the page it would move stuff to a completely different place. 2. I've found that occasionally a large margin would mysteriously appear that moved an object to a different location. It is a real struggle to find which particular menu this margin had put itself in. I have since found it best to set all margins to zero and use only padding on the objects as necesssary. 3. DON'T DELETE ANYTHING! I was totally confused as to why pages that I had completed, would suddenly have things missing when I next viewed them. Now I realise that i have to treat it a bit more like an HTML site. After all this time getting used to CMS making all the major changes, I now realise I need to create a different page for each individual design. If a page doesn't use a sidebar or section, I must remember not to delete it. Instead there is a menu somewhere that will allow you to switch it off on certain pages. Deleting something from a page will delete it from EVERY page that uses it!!! I have no use for a white label CMS as I need the plugins that come with Wordpress. However, there is a plugin I use that hides all the wordpress paraphenalia and allows me to create a custom dashboard and login screen specifically for my clients. Until I read this thread, I'd never heard of TT, although I was considering another one that I think is called "Coffee Cup" However, having come this far with Themler, I think I'll have to see it through and hope that my clients are suitably impressed with the results ... Eventually!
Stefan135
5 Posts
Stefan135 posted this 12 April 2018

I think I will either use Artisteer again and edit the code myself or I will do what everybody does, I will use premade themes and edit the code myself. TT has too many glitches, Themler is a crap, Artisteer still works better with it's old responsive approach, I tested various generated themes with Chrome Resolution Test plugin and Artisteer is by far the winner. The so called updated Themler and TT are useless.

I think I will either use Artisteer again and edit the code myself or I will do what everybody does, I will use premade themes and edit the code myself. TT has too many glitches, Themler is a crap, Artisteer still works better with it's old responsive approach, I tested various generated themes with Chrome Resolution Test plugin and Artisteer is by far the winner. The so called updated Themler and TT are useless.

Last edited 12 April 2018 by Stefan135

Stefan135
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Stefan135 posted this 14 April 2018

Mate, those themes seem extremely basic. On a side note, I just asked for a refund at Template Toaster, their software is most certainly not responsive, I have identified several situations where the divs overlap eachother when desktops resolution changes. I think I will try Divi and see how it works. It's only Wordpress, but I guess they are at least focused on WP, instead of all the crap these multi CMS platforms build.

Mate, those themes seem extremely basic. On a side note, I just asked for a refund at Template Toaster, their software is most certainly not responsive, I have identified several situations where the divs overlap eachother when desktops resolution changes. I think I will try Divi and see how it works. It's only Wordpress, but I guess they are at least focused on WP, instead of all the crap these multi CMS platforms build.
john169
4 Posts
john169 posted this 16 April 2018

A point not mentioned yet in this thread - TT is slightly cheaper on renewal - 40% initial price according to their website, while Themler is about 50%, based on a 2016 forum reply I found.

Just looked at Divi, after @Stefan135 left his last post. Don't like the look of it as it's just a flexible theme.

Like everyone else here, I'd rather have an updated Artisteer to meet modern responsive requirements and Bootstrap. Just tried Themler again and remember what I didn't like. TT seems a bit more intuitive, but less flexible.

Decisions, decisions...

A point not mentioned yet in this thread - TT is slightly cheaper on renewal - 40% initial price according to their website, while Themler is about 50%, based on a 2016 forum reply I found. Just looked at Divi, after @Stefan135 left his last post. Don't like the look of it as it's just a flexible theme. Like everyone else here, I'd rather have an updated Artisteer to meet modern responsive requirements and Bootstrap. Just tried Themler again and remember what I didn't like. TT seems a bit more intuitive, but less flexible. Decisions, decisions...

Last edited 16 April 2018 by john169

zmirlinazim
3 Posts
zmirlinazim posted this 17 April 2018

I use Artisteer too all the time. The more I use it, the more I learn it, the more flexible it becomes. I'm on Windows though and haven't tried to install it on a Mac so can't help you there.

I use Artisteer too all the time. The more I use it, the more I learn it, the more flexible it becomes. I'm on Windows though and haven't tried to install it on a Mac so can't help you there.
Alexander Dzhuninski
193 Posts
Alexander Dzhuninski posted this 17 April 2018

TT i so much limited, no options like in Themler.

TT i so much limited, no options like in Themler.
wpexpertinbd
88 Posts
wpexpertinbd posted this 17 April 2018

At the beginning some one ask for a real Themler site example & this is my business site: https://www.biswasit.com/
Which I designed with Themler. You can check it & can leave your comment's if you have anything to say! Thanks.

At the beginning some one ask for a real Themler site example & this is my business site: https://www.biswasit.com/ Which I designed with Themler. You can check it & can leave your comment's if you have anything to say! Thanks.
zmirlinazim
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zmirlinazim posted this 18 April 2018

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DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 18 April 2018

I am not sure how this is even a question. Artisteer is not being developed anymore and TT is just an Artisteer clone that cannot compete with Themler.

The more I use Themler the more I pray they don't abandon it. It's miles beyond anything I did with Artisteer. I tried TT once and was very underwhelmed.

I am not sure how this is even a question. Artisteer is not being developed anymore and TT is just an Artisteer clone that cannot compete with Themler. The more I use Themler the more I pray they don't abandon it. It's miles beyond anything I did with Artisteer. I tried TT once and was very underwhelmed.
Pixie Magic
60 Posts
Pixie Magic posted this 18 April 2018

Hi Dave et All,
Many good and mainly fair points made here. IMHO... Themler might be okay and cheap all things added up! But... I've looked at a hundreds of Artisteer/Themler templates and have to say i can't see that Template Toaster is as yet producing anything significantly better. But... unfortunately i can't see that Themler is yet producing anything better than Artisteer could and still does! And not as quick.

NB:
Different maybe but not better!

So from my own perspective as Artisteer is still the quickest even though much older than Themler, i may as well keep using Artisteer for Wordpress and ordinary HTML sites.

Themler is just hard work, (for several reasons well documented by myself and by many users), and in then end it does not really offer a simple to implement True White Label Solution. Besides the learning curve was not worth effort, especially given there are competitors out there producing products that produce Themler style websites and DO include TRUE White Label and Simple to implement CMS for ordinary HTML sites and a Resellers clients.

So now i find i am...

  • Using Artisteer occasionally and hoping it will be improved and have True easy to implement white label evolved.
  • Hoping Themler will evolve and listen to it's user base,WRT a White Label easy to implement system, etc.
  • Better training videos for Themler
  • And meanwhie for my serious Web design and especially bigger clients I now use a system with inbuilt CMS (for my clients), that's not reliant on Wordpress/Joomla/etc. Yes its more expensive, yes learning curve was not as simple as Artisteer, but chat support included 24/7.

What can i say Themler stood still, the market moved on.

The best thing for Themler now is someone buys them out and starts developing the software!
This would be a win for resellers and also for the like of Joomla/Wordpress, etc.

I watch with interest and would renew my license if i saw Themler or Artisteer 'significantly' improved, with white label taken seriously.

All the best.

Hi Dave et All, Many good and mainly fair points made here. IMHO... Themler might be okay and cheap all things added up! But... I've looked at a hundreds of Artisteer/Themler templates and have to say i can't see that Template Toaster is as yet producing anything significantly better. But... unfortunately i can't see that Themler is yet producing anything better than Artisteer could and still does! And not as quick. NB: Different maybe but not better! So from my own perspective as Artisteer is still the quickest even though much older than Themler, i may as well keep using Artisteer for Wordpress and ordinary HTML sites. Themler is just hard work, (for several reasons well documented by myself and by many users), and in then end it does not really offer a simple to implement True White Label Solution. Besides the learning curve was not worth effort, especially given there are competitors out there producing products that produce Themler style websites and DO include TRUE White Label and Simple to implement CMS for ordinary HTML sites and a Resellers clients. So now i find i am... - Using Artisteer occasionally and hoping it will be improved and have True easy to implement white label evolved. - Hoping Themler will evolve and listen to it's user base,WRT a White Label easy to implement system, etc. - Better training videos for Themler - And meanwhie for my serious Web design and especially bigger clients I now use a system with inbuilt CMS (for my clients), that's not reliant on Wordpress/Joomla/etc. Yes its more expensive, yes learning curve was not as simple as Artisteer, but chat support included 24/7. What can i say Themler stood still, the market moved on. The best thing for Themler now is someone buys them out and starts developing the software! This would be a win for resellers and also for the like of Joomla/Wordpress, etc. I watch with interest and would renew my license if i saw Themler or Artisteer 'significantly' improved, with white label taken seriously. All the best.
Stagger Lee
1838 Posts
Stagger Lee posted this 21 April 2018

It is dead. Realize that and move on.

It is dead. Realize that and move on.
Giuma
60 Posts
Giuma posted this 23 April 2018

It is dead. Realize that and move on.

Why for upage?
I hope no! I like themler

> It is dead. Realize that and move on. Why for upage? I hope no! I like themler
DaveOzric
721 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 24 April 2018

He is just saying that. I see no proof of it being dead.

He is just saying that. I see no proof of it being dead.
john106
37 Posts
john106 posted this 17 May 2018

I was a long-time Artisteer user and switched to Themler a couple of years ago. We've built hundreds of sites with Themler, and about a hundred sites with Artisteer before that. Yes, Themler can be a headache sometimes when you're trying to get an element to look or function exactly right. When we have an issue with an element not doing what we want, we found that it can usually be corrected quickly by removing that element and adding it again. Kind of an element reset so to speak. We have pulled our own chest hairs out sometimes as well but always get it working the way we want. Never gave up.

Honestly, nothing even comes close to the power of this platform. The flexibility of Themler is insane! Like someone mentioned before, TT is a (non-responsive) glorified Artisteer clone. Anyone that tried it (like we did) knows it's a clone. Not even in the same league as Themler. If you can get by the learning curve with Themler, have a little patience, you won't look back.

I was a long-time Artisteer user and switched to Themler a couple of years ago. We've built hundreds of sites with Themler, and about a hundred sites with Artisteer before that. Yes, Themler can be a headache sometimes when you're trying to get an element to look or function exactly right. When we have an issue with an element not doing what we want, we found that it can usually be corrected quickly by removing that element and adding it again. Kind of an element reset so to speak. We have pulled our own chest hairs out sometimes as well but always get it working the way we want. Never gave up. Honestly, nothing even comes close to the power of this platform. The flexibility of Themler is insane! Like someone mentioned before, TT is a (non-responsive) glorified Artisteer clone. Anyone that tried it (like we did) knows it's a clone. Not even in the same league as Themler. If you can get by the learning curve with Themler, have a little patience, you won't look back.
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