Themler - Template Toaster or stick with Artisteer?

Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 02 January 2018

I get on really well with Artisteer building websites for clients although I have never been a fan of Wordpress, so 50% of projects are standalone websites and I only use WP, when clients really need a CMS. I have toyed with moving over to Themler (and even purchased product), but the lack of a quick start manual or decent video instructions (+ silly music), has left me unsure that this product will be any quicker or better than Artisteer.

Now i have read good things about TemplateToaster, see head to head review - https://templatetoastervsartisteer.wordpress.com/
...and wanted to check with Themler support if they have written a response to the TemplateToaster comparison with Themler before i move forward.

I also hear reasonable things about Squarespace, Wix. Weebly, Duda and such like, but as they charge per site i feel they are of no use for web designers. Any alternative views?

From my research so far i feel my best bet is to either go with Template Toaster or Themler, but lack of positive reviews and poor instructions is currently leaning me over to template Toaster.

Also does anyone have any views on which e-commerce solution is the best way forward?
Shopify or Actinic? ...or perhaps Woo Commerce or something else that links with Themler?

All suggestions, review links and facts appreciated.

Many Thanks

I get on really well with Artisteer building websites for clients although I have never been a fan of Wordpress, so 50% of projects are standalone websites and I only use WP, when clients really need a CMS. I have toyed with moving over to Themler (and even purchased product), but the lack of a quick start manual or decent video instructions (+ silly music), has left me unsure that this product will be any quicker or better than Artisteer. Now i have read good things about TemplateToaster, see head to head review - https://templatetoastervsartisteer.wordpress.com/ ...and wanted to check with Themler support if they have written a response to the TemplateToaster comparison with Themler before i move forward. I also hear reasonable things about Squarespace, Wix. Weebly, Duda and such like, but as they charge per site i feel they are of no use for web designers. Any alternative views? From my research so far i feel my best bet is to either go with Template Toaster or Themler, but lack of positive reviews and poor instructions is currently leaning me over to template Toaster. Also does anyone have any views on which e-commerce solution is the best way forward? Shopify or Actinic? ...or perhaps Woo Commerce or something else that links with Themler? All suggestions, review links and facts appreciated. Many Thanks
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Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this yesterday

Hi Dave et All,
Many good and mainly fair points made here. IMHO... Themler might be okay and cheap all things added up! But... I've looked at a hundreds of Artisteer/Themler templates and have to say i can't see that Template Toaster is as yet producing anything significantly better. But... unfortunately i can't see that Themler is yet producing anything better than Artisteer could and still does! And not as quick.

NB:
Different maybe but not better!

So from my own perspective as Artisteer is still the quickest even though much older than Themler, i may as well keep using Artisteer for Wordpress and ordinary HTML sites.

Themler is just hard work, (for several reasons well documented by myself and by many users), and in then end it does not really offer a simple to implement True White Label Solution. Besides the learning curve was not worth effort, especially given there are competitors out there producing products that produce Themler style websites and DO include TRUE White Label and Simple to implement CMS for ordinary HTML sites and a Resellers clients.

So now i find i am...

  • Using Artisteer occasionally and hoping it will be improved and have True easy to implement white label evolved.
  • Hoping Themler will evolve and listen to it's user base,WRT a White Label easy to implement system, etc.
  • Better training videos for Themler
  • And meanwhie for my serious Web design and especially bigger clients I now use a system with inbuilt CMS (for my clients), that's not reliant on Wordpress/Joomla/etc. Yes its more expensive, yes learning curve was not as simple as Artisteer, but chat support included 24/7.

What can i say Themler stood still, the market moved on.

The best thing for Themler now is someone buys them out and starts developing the software!
This would be a win for resellers and also for the like of Joomla/Wordpress, etc.

I watch with interest and would renew my license if i saw Themler or Artisteer 'significantly' improved, with white label taken seriously.

All the best.

Hi Dave et All, Many good and mainly fair points made here. IMHO... Themler might be okay and cheap all things added up! But... I've looked at a hundreds of Artisteer/Themler templates and have to say i can't see that Template Toaster is as yet producing anything significantly better. But... unfortunately i can't see that Themler is yet producing anything better than Artisteer could and still does! And not as quick. NB: Different maybe but not better! So from my own perspective as Artisteer is still the quickest even though much older than Themler, i may as well keep using Artisteer for Wordpress and ordinary HTML sites. Themler is just hard work, (for several reasons well documented by myself and by many users), and in then end it does not really offer a simple to implement True White Label Solution. Besides the learning curve was not worth effort, especially given there are competitors out there producing products that produce Themler style websites and DO include TRUE White Label and Simple to implement CMS for ordinary HTML sites and a Resellers clients. So now i find i am... - Using Artisteer occasionally and hoping it will be improved and have True easy to implement white label evolved. - Hoping Themler will evolve and listen to it's user base,WRT a White Label easy to implement system, etc. - Better training videos for Themler - And meanwhie for my serious Web design and especially bigger clients I now use a system with inbuilt CMS (for my clients), that's not reliant on Wordpress/Joomla/etc. Yes its more expensive, yes learning curve was not as simple as Artisteer, but chat support included 24/7. What can i say Themler stood still, the market moved on. The best thing for Themler now is someone buys them out and starts developing the software! This would be a win for resellers and also for the like of Joomla/Wordpress, etc. I watch with interest and would renew my license if i saw Themler or Artisteer 'significantly' improved, with white label taken seriously. All the best.
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this yesterday

I am not sure how this is even a question. Artisteer is not being developed anymore and TT is just an Artisteer clone that cannot compete with Themler.

The more I use Themler the more I pray they don't abandon it. It's miles beyond anything I did with Artisteer. I tried TT once and was very underwhelmed.

I am not sure how this is even a question. Artisteer is not being developed anymore and TT is just an Artisteer clone that cannot compete with Themler. The more I use Themler the more I pray they don't abandon it. It's miles beyond anything I did with Artisteer. I tried TT once and was very underwhelmed.
zmirlinazim
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zmirlinazim posted this yesterday

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wpexpertinbd
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wpexpertinbd posted this 2 days ago

At the beginning some one ask for a real Themler site example & this is my business site: https://www.biswasit.com/
Which I designed with Themler. You can check it & can leave your comment's if you have anything to say! Thanks.

At the beginning some one ask for a real Themler site example & this is my business site: https://www.biswasit.com/ Which I designed with Themler. You can check it & can leave your comment's if you have anything to say! Thanks.
Alexander Dzhuninski
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Alexander Dzhuninski posted this 2 days ago

TT i so much limited, no options like in Themler.

TT i so much limited, no options like in Themler.
zmirlinazim
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zmirlinazim posted this 2 days ago

I use Artisteer too all the time. The more I use it, the more I learn it, the more flexible it becomes. I'm on Windows though and haven't tried to install it on a Mac so can't help you there.

I use Artisteer too all the time. The more I use it, the more I learn it, the more flexible it becomes. I'm on Windows though and haven't tried to install it on a Mac so can't help you there.
john169
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john169 posted this 3 days ago

A point not mentioned yet in this thread - TT is slightly cheaper on renewal - 40% initial price according to their website, while Themler is about 50%, based on a 2016 forum reply I found.

Just looked at Divi, after @Stefan135 left his last post. Don't like the look of it as it's just a flexible theme.

Like everyone else here, I'd rather have an updated Artisteer to meet modern responsive requirements and Bootstrap. Just tried Themler again and remember what I didn't like. TT seems a bit more intuitive, but less flexible.

Decisions, decisions...

A point not mentioned yet in this thread - TT is slightly cheaper on renewal - 40% initial price according to their website, while Themler is about 50%, based on a 2016 forum reply I found. Just looked at Divi, after @Stefan135 left his last post. Don't like the look of it as it's just a flexible theme. Like everyone else here, I'd rather have an updated Artisteer to meet modern responsive requirements and Bootstrap. Just tried Themler again and remember what I didn't like. TT seems a bit more intuitive, but less flexible. Decisions, decisions...

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Stefan135
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Stefan135 posted this 5 days ago

Mate, those themes seem extremely basic. On a side note, I just asked for a refund at Template Toaster, their software is most certainly not responsive, I have identified several situations where the divs overlap eachother when desktops resolution changes. I think I will try Divi and see how it works. It's only Wordpress, but I guess they are at least focused on WP, instead of all the crap these multi CMS platforms build.

Mate, those themes seem extremely basic. On a side note, I just asked for a refund at Template Toaster, their software is most certainly not responsive, I have identified several situations where the divs overlap eachother when desktops resolution changes. I think I will try Divi and see how it works. It's only Wordpress, but I guess they are at least focused on WP, instead of all the crap these multi CMS platforms build.
Stefan135
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Stefan135 posted this 1 weeks ago

I think I will either use Artisteer again and edit the code myself or I will do what everybody does, I will use premade themes and edit the code myself. TT has too many glitches, Themler is a crap, Artisteer still works better with it's old responsive approach, I tested various generated themes with Chrome Resolution Test plugin and Artisteer is by far the winner. The so called updated Themler and TT are useless.

I think I will either use Artisteer again and edit the code myself or I will do what everybody does, I will use premade themes and edit the code myself. TT has too many glitches, Themler is a crap, Artisteer still works better with it's old responsive approach, I tested various generated themes with Chrome Resolution Test plugin and Artisteer is by far the winner. The so called updated Themler and TT are useless.

Last edited 1 weeks ago by Stefan135

lynnmonk
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lynnmonk posted this 1 weeks ago

I used Artisteer for a number of years. It is very intuitive and I was knocking out websites in no time at all. But my clients wanted sites that were more modern-looking, so I turned to Themler. What a difference! Over 3 months so far just struggling to make a template for my sites! The total lack of anything logical, coupled with a lack of decent tutorials, plus an infinite number of menus all with very similar controls, have led me to make mistake after mistake. I've built my template from the ground up more times than I care to remember. But I am getting my head around it slowly. I've now moved it to a live site to finish work on it and was most annoyed to discover that it doesn't move all the plugins and plugin settings with it. Not only that, but it failed to import my content as well. Good job it was only sample content and not a real site.

I still have issues even now. My menus aren't working properly. I can't figure out how to display category pages and my blogs are all duplicated. but for the benefit of other newbies, I'm going to tell you what I've discovered that needs watching out for...

  1. There is an order to placing items on a page that works better than others. SECTION > COLUMNS > CONTAINER > CONTENT. It is quite possible to put content directly into a section, or a column, or a container without the other things, but in doing so I found that things never stayed where I put them. Everytime I added more content or changed the size of the page it would move stuff to a completely different place.

  2. I've found that occasionally a large margin would mysteriously appear that moved an object to a different location. It is a real struggle to find which particular menu this margin had put itself in. I have since found it best to set all margins to zero and use only padding on the objects as necesssary.

  3. DON'T DELETE ANYTHING! I was totally confused as to why pages that I had completed, would suddenly have things missing when I next viewed them. Now I realise that i have to treat it a bit more like an HTML site. After all this time getting used to CMS making all the major changes, I now realise I need to create a different page for each individual design. If a page doesn't use a sidebar or section, I must remember not to delete it. Instead there is a menu somewhere that will allow you to switch it off on certain pages. Deleting something from a page will delete it from EVERY page that uses it!!!

I have no use for a white label CMS as I need the plugins that come with Wordpress. However, there is a plugin I use that hides all the wordpress paraphenalia and allows me to create a custom dashboard and login screen specifically for my clients. Until I read this thread, I'd never heard of TT, although I was considering another one that I think is called "Coffee Cup" However, having come this far with Themler, I think I'll have to see it through and hope that my clients are suitably impressed with the results ... Eventually!

I used Artisteer for a number of years. It is very intuitive and I was knocking out websites in no time at all. But my clients wanted sites that were more modern-looking, so I turned to Themler. What a difference! Over 3 months so far just struggling to make a template for my sites! The total lack of anything logical, coupled with a lack of decent tutorials, plus an infinite number of menus all with very similar controls, have led me to make mistake after mistake. I've built my template from the ground up more times than I care to remember. But I am getting my head around it slowly. I've now moved it to a live site to finish work on it and was most annoyed to discover that it doesn't move all the plugins and plugin settings with it. Not only that, but it failed to import my content as well. Good job it was only sample content and not a real site. I still have issues even now. My menus aren't working properly. I can't figure out how to display category pages and my blogs are all duplicated. but for the benefit of other newbies, I'm going to tell you what I've discovered that needs watching out for... 1. There is an order to placing items on a page that works better than others. SECTION > COLUMNS > CONTAINER > CONTENT. It is quite possible to put content directly into a section, or a column, or a container without the other things, but in doing so I found that things never stayed where I put them. Everytime I added more content or changed the size of the page it would move stuff to a completely different place. 2. I've found that occasionally a large margin would mysteriously appear that moved an object to a different location. It is a real struggle to find which particular menu this margin had put itself in. I have since found it best to set all margins to zero and use only padding on the objects as necesssary. 3. DON'T DELETE ANYTHING! I was totally confused as to why pages that I had completed, would suddenly have things missing when I next viewed them. Now I realise that i have to treat it a bit more like an HTML site. After all this time getting used to CMS making all the major changes, I now realise I need to create a different page for each individual design. If a page doesn't use a sidebar or section, I must remember not to delete it. Instead there is a menu somewhere that will allow you to switch it off on certain pages. Deleting something from a page will delete it from EVERY page that uses it!!! I have no use for a white label CMS as I need the plugins that come with Wordpress. However, there is a plugin I use that hides all the wordpress paraphenalia and allows me to create a custom dashboard and login screen specifically for my clients. Until I read this thread, I'd never heard of TT, although I was considering another one that I think is called "Coffee Cup" However, having come this far with Themler, I think I'll have to see it through and hope that my clients are suitably impressed with the results ... Eventually!
Stefan135
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Stefan135 posted this 2 weeks ago

Or we can do as most of the small developers do :)) Take one of the big themes out there and modify it. Most of the small and medium developers do that. Custom themes = modified themes. But I really hate to modify something else, I'd rather build the rough modules of a theme and then modify it myself.

Or we can do as most of the small developers do :)) Take one of the big themes out there and modify it. Most of the small and medium developers do that. Custom themes = modified themes. But I really hate to modify something else, I'd rather build the rough modules of a theme and then modify it myself.
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 2 weeks ago

Hi Stefan,

I agree with your sentiment, it's just seems so strange that the developers would let a cracking bit of software such as Artisteer fall by the wayside. BTW, i think Artisteer is still getting minor updates! When i first heard about Themler i honestly thought, hey they've really been listening and they are going to produce an amazing piece of software! Something every web designer would need in his tool kit, perhaps his primary tool. Certainly Artisteer had become mine.

I also agree support has been very good and they do get back to all relevant/serious inquiries. They clearly seem to believe in Themler, as do some users! But like yourself every time i tried i got fed up. I'll probably just sit on the sidelines now and if they ever release a serious upgrade for Themler that addresses the core problems i might be tempted back.

But in the meantime i just see the competition growing stronger. I'm keeping an eye on TT but not personally convinced, thus far.

My own thought is that the biggest gap in the reseller market is for.

  1. An ordinary inbuilt web designer, maybe a cross between Themler/Artisteer and TT, but with the addition of an inbuilt CMS for ordinary .HTML sites, which resellers can sell on True White Label under their own brand. THIS WOULD BE A MASSIVE SELLER and everyone wins.

  2. Even better if the software had an option for compatability with some sort of reseller hosting at realistic prices, everyone wins again.

  3. And if there was a central control panel like with Duda then that's all the main bases covered.

I guess we can only dream!
:-)

Hi Stefan, I agree with your sentiment, it's just seems so strange that the developers would let a cracking bit of software such as Artisteer fall by the wayside. BTW, i think Artisteer is still getting minor updates! When i first heard about Themler i honestly thought, hey they've really been listening and they are going to produce an amazing piece of software! Something every web designer would need in his tool kit, perhaps his primary tool. Certainly Artisteer had become mine. I also agree support has been very good and they do get back to all relevant/serious inquiries. They clearly seem to believe in Themler, as do some users! But like yourself every time i tried i got fed up. I'll probably just sit on the sidelines now and if they ever release a serious upgrade for Themler that addresses the core problems i might be tempted back. But in the meantime i just see the competition growing stronger. I'm keeping an eye on TT but not personally convinced, thus far. My own thought is that the biggest gap in the reseller market is for. 1. An ordinary inbuilt web designer, maybe a cross between Themler/Artisteer and TT, but with the addition of an inbuilt CMS for ordinary .HTML sites, which resellers can sell on True White Label under their own brand. THIS WOULD BE A MASSIVE SELLER and everyone wins. 2. Even better if the software had an option for compatability with some sort of reseller hosting at realistic prices, everyone wins again. 3. And if there was a central control panel like with Duda then that's all the main bases covered. I guess we can only dream! :-)
Stefan135
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Stefan135 posted this 2 weeks ago

Hm, maybe the market for such a software is not so lucrative, and people might prefer premade themes ready to be tweaked, so there is no financial argument to develop this type of software actively, I don't know. Or maybe they lack marketing skills to push the software into the light, but anyway, the Themler approach seems terrible. The Artisteer forum seems pretty dead with a lot of spam on it, that also says lots about it, it's not such a big fuss to make a spam protection filter for registration and posts.

It's like people gave up and the development is reduced to tiny bits, none for Artisteer and bits for Themler, that's the feeling.

And I am not sure that better instructions would help with Themler. If a seasoned developer with programming skills and diplomas has a lot of problems in dealing with it, it means that something is terribly broken.

Despite the feeling of "beta"iness that I have with TT, the guys seem pretty active, with quick support, live chat, and a willingness to help ( half of my questions where pretty stupid, yet they answered :)) ). The support seems very open minded, and one of my suggestion already made its place in the next update, while the other suggestions were already present in a much better form, but I missed them.

My general feeling now is Template Toaster > Artisteer > Themler. Even if Themler supposedly offers top notch design technologies, the way it does ( if it really does it ) makes it a pain in the arse instead of a useful tool. I installed it 3 times trying to convince myself to upgrade from Artisteer but I see absolutely no reason why I should use it instead of TT, even if TT still needs polishing.

PS: TT has tons of updates, this means that it is very actively developed, which is great. Almost every day of work with TT comes with an update.

Hm, maybe the market for such a software is not so lucrative, and people might prefer premade themes ready to be tweaked, so there is no financial argument to develop this type of software actively, I don't know. Or maybe they lack marketing skills to push the software into the light, but anyway, the Themler approach seems terrible. The Artisteer forum seems pretty dead with a lot of spam on it, that also says lots about it, it's not such a big fuss to make a spam protection filter for registration and posts. It's like people gave up and the development is reduced to tiny bits, none for Artisteer and bits for Themler, that's the feeling. And I am not sure that better instructions would help with Themler. If a seasoned developer with programming skills and diplomas has a lot of problems in dealing with it, it means that something is terribly broken. Despite the feeling of "beta"iness that I have with TT, the guys seem pretty active, with quick support, live chat, and a willingness to help ( half of my questions where pretty stupid, yet they answered :)) ). The support seems very open minded, and one of my suggestion already made its place in the next update, while the other suggestions were already present in a much better form, but I missed them. My general feeling now is Template Toaster > Artisteer > Themler. Even if Themler supposedly offers top notch design technologies, the way it does ( if it really does it ) makes it a pain in the arse instead of a useful tool. I installed it 3 times trying to convince myself to upgrade from Artisteer but I see absolutely no reason why I should use it instead of TT, even if TT still needs polishing. PS: TT has tons of updates, this means that it is very actively developed, which is great. Almost every day of work with TT comes with an update.

Last edited 2 weeks ago by Stefan135

Pixie Magic
58 Posts
Pixie Magic posted this 2 weeks ago

Hi Necra,

I have similar feelings. On the one hand i would love for Themler to quickly show me clear advantages over Artisteer because Artisteer was brilliant. The only thing missing from Artisteer was it's own CMS. A true white label CMS, that Artisteer (or even Themler) users could sell on to their own clients under their own brand.

Also training if Themler is so good why not offer a 1 or 2 day training course where you can show us how to use the damn thing. Artisteer was never this hard.

It's a shame, Themler could have been a real player. Or Artisteer which already was a significant player, could have continued to evolve. Artisteer/Themler have currently missed this boat. Other companies already offer a solution with built in CMS and True White Label and the prices are competitive, although they are not much further ahead than Artisteer, at least their is CMS.

I still think Artsteer or Themler could strike back and move into the top slot again, but the opportunity is fast closing. 2018 could be do or die for Themler!

I also agree on template Toaster, even the latest version seems to have little or no significant advantage over Artisteer and TT have also missed the opportunity to add in a True White Label CMS which web designers can sell onto their clients.

I find it hard to believe that Artisteer/Themler have not after 3 years of repeated requests listened to the users here in the support forums. So i hope that behind the scenes they are working on a solution that meets a Web designers evolving requirements. I still 'hope' they will realise what they are missing and what they are about to lose if they don't get the following sorted soon.

  1. True white label CMS for Themler (and Artisteer) not dependent upon WP, etc.
  2. Or at least an 'easy' way to install and operate Themler off line, as with Artisteer. You should never have to be online to build websites! My experience with Themler online was a battle from day 1.
  3. Better instructions, might have helped. Videos without music! Voice overs, Example sites, evolving templates for designers to buy.
  4. A way for designers to sell our templates to bolster the templates available and show what can be achieved.
  5. Instant chat support was a big miss. This has been so fast, productive and helpful with our other solutions hosting/web design that we will no longer sell a product without instant chat support. I believe there should also be telephone support.

NB:
If you had instant chat and telephone support, you could even charge resellers extra for this. Although if you commit to support your reseller then they will sell licenses for the CMS to every website they build so effectively you are training your resellers to make more sales for you.
Win Win.

  1. And a road map. And independent reviews. And training!

I am sure there are a few other things, but the deal breaker for me now when using any software is to look at the best template built so far with a piece of software and if it isn't better than the competition then where is the incentive for me to sell it.

At this point i will give a positive example for Artisteer but show why Themler just does not seem to have it, as far as i can see! This link shows one of the better Themler templates. Designed in 2015 and updated in 2016. Has there been anything better built since then?

http://templates.themler.io/Themes/Preview?id=1896630

But it's not so special. I am sure we can all still design much better things in Artisteer, and much quicker.

So i am left thinking Themler should be brilliant by now, evolving from Artisteer, with 3 years of development, really we should all be singing Themler praises, but where is the evidence.

STILL - I AM KEEPING AN OPEN MIND

So if someone could show me some amazing websites built with Themler and answer my questions above then maybe i will come back and take another look.

All the best.

Hi Necra, I have similar feelings. On the one hand i would love for Themler to quickly show me clear advantages over Artisteer because Artisteer was brilliant. The only thing missing from Artisteer was it's own CMS. A true white label CMS, that Artisteer (or even Themler) users could sell on to their own clients under their own brand. Also training if Themler is so good why not offer a 1 or 2 day training course where you can show us how to use the damn thing. Artisteer was never this hard. It's a shame, Themler could have been a real player. Or Artisteer which already was a significant player, could have continued to evolve. Artisteer/Themler have currently missed this boat. Other companies already offer a solution with built in CMS and True White Label and the prices are competitive, although they are not much further ahead than Artisteer, at least their is CMS. I still think Artsteer or Themler could strike back and move into the top slot again, but the opportunity is fast closing. 2018 could be do or die for Themler! I also agree on template Toaster, even the latest version seems to have little or no significant advantage over Artisteer and TT have also missed the opportunity to add in a True White Label CMS which web designers can sell onto their clients. I find it hard to believe that Artisteer/Themler have not after 3 years of repeated requests listened to the users here in the support forums. So i hope that behind the scenes they are working on a solution that meets a Web designers evolving requirements. I still 'hope' they will realise what they are missing and what they are about to lose if they don't get the following sorted soon. 1. True white label CMS for Themler (and Artisteer) not dependent upon WP, etc. 2. Or at least an 'easy' way to install and operate Themler off line, as with Artisteer. You should never have to be online to build websites! My experience with Themler online was a battle from day 1. 3. Better instructions, might have helped. Videos without music! Voice overs, Example sites, evolving templates for designers to buy. 4. A way for designers to sell our templates to bolster the templates available and show what can be achieved. 5. Instant chat support was a big miss. This has been so fast, productive and helpful with our other solutions hosting/web design that we will no longer sell a product without instant chat support. I believe there should also be telephone support. NB: If you had instant chat and telephone support, you could even charge resellers extra for this. Although if you commit to support your reseller then they will sell licenses for the CMS to every website they build so effectively you are training your resellers to make more sales for you. Win Win. 1. And a road map. And independent reviews. And training! I am sure there are a few other things, but the deal breaker for me now when using any software is to look at the best template built so far with a piece of software and if it isn't better than the competition then where is the incentive for me to sell it. At this point i will give a positive example for Artisteer but show why Themler just does not seem to have it, as far as i can see! This link shows one of the better Themler templates. Designed in 2015 and updated in 2016. Has there been anything better built since then? http://templates.themler.io/Themes/Preview?id=1896630 But it's not so special. I am sure we can all still design much better things in Artisteer, and much quicker. So i am left thinking Themler should be brilliant by now, evolving from Artisteer, with 3 years of development, really we should all be singing Themler praises, but where is the evidence. STILL - I AM KEEPING AN OPEN MIND So if someone could show me some amazing websites built with Themler and answer my questions above then maybe i will come back and take another look. All the best.
Stefan135
5 Posts
Stefan135 posted this 2 weeks ago

Hey guys, a bit of necro here.

I own both Artisteer and TT, and I am trying to play a bit with Themler, but even if I know coding, and html and css have no secrets for me, Themler seems to be extremely unintuitive and a very big step back from Artisteer. Despite the fact that it seems to use the latest technologies it is way too clunky for me, and even if I get a discount for using my Artisteer license it doesn't matter.

The only issue I have is that TT seems to still be in a late Beta stage, and I really don't like that since I payed 150 bucks. But what's the alternative? Artisteer has a great way to define a layout and tweak each individual module of a theme, Themler seems to be the opposite. And probably because it has many features hidden behind the online security layer it annoys me that sometimes it freezes for a couple of seconds.

I don't like to use Suggest and stuff like that, I like to build everything methodically, Themler seems to do it terribly wrong. I am a bit disappointed that you took a step back from Artisteer and moved on to this model, Artisteer used to be my starting point, then it was tweaking the code. Artisteer had a modular approach with tabs for each section. Themler seems to open and close various tabs in the bar depending on what I click, also freezing sometimes for a couple of seconds.

I must say that you did a terrible job guys, I'd really wish you'd move back to the Artisteer model and drop this, it's pretty clear that TT has more clients, just check their traffic and visitors. I hope you will reconsider your position and start working on Artisteer again.

Cheers

Hey guys, a bit of necro here. I own both Artisteer and TT, and I am trying to play a bit with Themler, but even if I know coding, and html and css have no secrets for me, Themler seems to be extremely unintuitive and a very big step back from Artisteer. Despite the fact that it seems to use the latest technologies it is way too clunky for me, and even if I get a discount for using my Artisteer license it doesn't matter. The only issue I have is that TT seems to still be in a late Beta stage, and I really don't like that since I payed 150 bucks. But what's the alternative? Artisteer has a great way to define a layout and tweak each individual module of a theme, Themler seems to be the opposite. And probably because it has many features hidden behind the online security layer it annoys me that sometimes it freezes for a couple of seconds. I don't like to use Suggest and stuff like that, I like to build everything methodically, Themler seems to do it terribly wrong. I am a bit disappointed that you took a step back from Artisteer and moved on to this model, Artisteer used to be my starting point, then it was tweaking the code. Artisteer had a modular approach with tabs for each section. Themler seems to open and close various tabs in the bar depending on what I click, also freezing sometimes for a couple of seconds. I must say that you did a terrible job guys, I'd really wish you'd move back to the Artisteer model and drop this, it's pretty clear that TT has more clients, just check their traffic and visitors. I hope you will reconsider your position and start working on Artisteer again. Cheers
Support Team
Support Team posted this 31 January 2018

Hi,

Sure, we'll be glad to help.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, Sure, we'll be glad to help. Sincerely, Hella
Pixie Magic
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Pixie Magic posted this 31 January 2018

Hi,

I would like to leave my 2 cents here. First of all I would like to say that Artisteer is far too limited compared to Themler. It even does not work good with the responsive modes. But indeed it is easier. Themler can be considered as tool for a developer with some experience.
Your note about the documentation as indeed true, but I'm not sure that we could create a book regarding Themler as the functionality was growing in a very dynamic way when it strated. The video tutorials are also may be not clear for the first sight. Themler is a tool that requires some time and
efforts from the start but then will give you a large possibilities in designing.
And by the way, developers had not trained our support team to work with Themler. We have tried it our selves as the simple users from the start and also we did several complete sites as the experiment.
The good way to start with is maybe take one of our samples from here:
http://templates.themler.io/Themes/Index?Search.RelatedMediaId=&perPage=30&sorter=Popular&Search.Key=&Search.CategoryID=&Search.FunctionalCategoryID=&Search.TemplateCategoryID=&Search.Artisteer=False&Search.Theme=True&Search.Section=False&Search.Page=False&Search.Cms=&Search.ShowFree=False&Search.ShowPaid=False

And make some minor edits. That will give you the ready website and will help you to understand how some settings do work.

In any case, please feel free to contact us with any questions you have and we'll be glad to help you.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi Hella,

Thanks for your support and positive reply. I am going to try again.
I'll post some quick questions on a separate thread.

Cheers
Andy

> Hi, > > I would like to leave my 2 cents here. First of all I would like to say that Artisteer is far too limited compared to Themler. It even does not work good with the responsive modes. But indeed it is easier. Themler can be considered as tool for a developer with some experience. > Your note about the documentation as indeed true, but I'm not sure that we could create a book regarding Themler as the functionality was growing in a very dynamic way when it strated. The video tutorials are also may be not clear for the first sight. Themler is a tool that requires some time and > efforts from the start but then will give you a large possibilities in designing. > And by the way, developers had not trained our support team to work with Themler. We have tried it our selves as the simple users from the start and also we did several complete sites as the experiment. > The good way to start with is maybe take one of our samples from here: > http://templates.themler.io/Themes/Index?Search.RelatedMediaId=&perPage=30&sorter=Popular&Search.Key=&Search.CategoryID=&Search.FunctionalCategoryID=&Search.TemplateCategoryID=&Search.Artisteer=False&Search.Theme=True&Search.Section=False&Search.Page=False&Search.Cms=&Search.ShowFree=False&Search.ShowPaid=False > > And make some minor edits. That will give you the ready website and will help you to understand how some settings do work. > > In any case, please feel free to contact us with any questions you have and we'll be glad to help you. > > Sincerely, > Hella Hi Hella, Thanks for your support and positive reply. I am going to try again. I'll post some quick questions on a separate thread. Cheers Andy
Support Team
Support Team posted this 31 January 2018

Hi,

I would like to leave my 2 cents here. First of all I would like to say that Artisteer is far too limited compared to Themler. It even does not work good with the responsive modes. But indeed it is easier. Themler can be considered as tool for a developer with some experience.
Your note about the documentation as indeed true, but I'm not sure that we could create a book regarding Themler as the functionality was growing in a very dynamic way when it strated. The video tutorials are also may be not clear for the first sight. Themler is a tool that requires some time and
efforts from the start but then will give you a large possibilities in designing.
And by the way, developers had not trained our support team to work with Themler. We have tried it our selves as the simple users from the start and also we did several complete sites as the experiment.
The good way to start with is maybe take one of our samples from here:
http://templates.themler.io/Themes/Index?Search.RelatedMediaId=&perPage=30&sorter=Popular&Search.Key=&Search.CategoryID=&Search.FunctionalCategoryID=&Search.TemplateCategoryID=&Search.Artisteer=False&Search.Theme=True&Search.Section=False&Search.Page=False&Search.Cms=&Search.ShowFree=False&Search.ShowPaid=False

And make some minor edits. That will give you the ready website and will help you to understand how some settings do work.

In any case, please feel free to contact us with any questions you have and we'll be glad to help you.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, I would like to leave my 2 cents here. First of all I would like to say that Artisteer is far too limited compared to Themler. It even does not work good with the responsive modes. But indeed it is easier. Themler can be considered as tool for a developer with some experience. Your note about the documentation as indeed true, but I'm not sure that we could create a book regarding Themler as the functionality was growing in a very dynamic way when it strated. The video tutorials are also may be not clear for the first sight. Themler is a tool that requires some time and efforts from the start but then will give you a large possibilities in designing. And by the way, developers had not trained our support team to work with Themler. We have tried it our selves as the simple users from the start and also we did several complete sites as the experiment. The good way to start with is maybe take one of our samples from here: http://templates.themler.io/Themes/Index?Search.RelatedMediaId=&perPage=30&sorter=Popular&Search.Key=&Search.CategoryID=&Search.FunctionalCategoryID=&Search.TemplateCategoryID=&Search.Artisteer=False&Search.Theme=True&Search.Section=False&Search.Page=False&Search.Cms=&Search.ShowFree=False&Search.ShowPaid=False And make some minor edits. That will give you the ready website and will help you to understand how some settings do work. In any case, please feel free to contact us with any questions you have and we'll be glad to help you. Sincerely, Hella
Pixie Magic
58 Posts
Pixie Magic posted this 30 January 2018

I have almost given up on Themler, despite that support team have really tried to help. I am sure that Themler could well be an excellent package, but at every stage i turn i face problems... and am not able to come to a conclusion if this software will answer my Reseller requirements!

In hindsight. Artisteer seems so much more powerful and easy to work with.

In the end i think what will stop me going forward and send me the way of something like template Toaster is...

  1. The lack of instructions and an organised index (book), work flow to make a simple website.

  2. The lack of instructions on how to make a white label template with my brand, etc.

  3. The lack of CMS client login options for the .html version which would allow client to edit his .html site

  4. A general lack of clarity WRT STEP by STEP instructions to get a reseller started with his first site.

I am curious how the software writers taught there support staff to use this product and if any support staff have made a website.

I suspect that the only way support staff could be taught to use this product would be with an initial hands on training session.

I wish the software writers would tale one day out to make a video showing how from a reseller perspective we can use this product to makes sites as good as we used to in Artisteer.

In any case. All the best.

I have almost given up on Themler, despite that support team have really tried to help. I am sure that Themler could well be an excellent package, but at every stage i turn i face problems... and am not able to come to a conclusion if this software will answer my Reseller requirements! In hindsight. Artisteer seems so much more powerful and easy to work with. In the end i think what will stop me going forward and send me the way of something like template Toaster is... 1. The lack of instructions and an organised index (book), work flow to make a simple website. 2. The lack of instructions on how to make a white label template with my brand, etc. 3. The lack of CMS client login options for the .html version which would allow client to edit his .html site 4. A general lack of clarity WRT STEP by STEP instructions to get a reseller started with his first site. I am curious how the software writers taught there support staff to use this product and if any support staff have made a website. I suspect that the only way support staff could be taught to use this product would be with an initial hands on training session. I wish the software writers would tale one day out to make a video showing how from a reseller perspective we can use this product to makes sites as good as we used to in Artisteer. In any case. All the best.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 22 January 2018

Hi,

Sorry for the delay in responding. And thanks for some good words about Themler. It is indeed very powerful and that also causes complexity to user on the start. Maybe our documentation is a bit limited but we are always happy to help you with all the questions and issues that you have. So please feel free to ask.
As for the site examples, unfortunately we do not collect the user sites. Maybe you can try to go through the topics on this forum and see some links from the users. Or hopefully they may share them in this topic with you.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, Sorry for the delay in responding. And thanks for some good words about Themler. It is indeed very powerful and that also causes complexity to user on the start. Maybe our documentation is a bit limited but we are always happy to help you with all the questions and issues that you have. So please feel free to ask. As for the site examples, unfortunately we do not collect the user sites. Maybe you can try to go through the topics on this forum and see some links from the users. Or hopefully they may share them in this topic with you. Sincerely, Hella
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