Visual editor for CMS not builder

webdevteam
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webdevteam posted this 13 June 2018

Hi, it was a long time ago when you write on the forum that you are working on the plugin for WP and Joomla that allows to edit Themler Sections using the visual editor. What's the update? It is over 2 years when you promise this and still nothing?

Most of us are people who make websites for other customers and then after that our customers are unable to edit pages. I'm with you 2 years, I pay a subscription and like others I need my customers be able just to edit pages, not to see code that they don't understand.

If you still will ignore us, we will have no other choice but to stop paying you for things that we cannot use. And I will no longer pay for 3rd year...

Please answer us, this is important. We don't need a full content builder for our customers, just a way that they can edit what we create in Themler (pages) just see them in a graphic / visual way and change text, title, photo...

Please

Hi, it was a long time ago when you write on the forum that you are working on the plugin for WP and Joomla that allows to edit Themler Sections using the visual editor. What's the update? It is over 2 years when you promise this and still nothing? Most of us are people who make websites for other customers and then after that our customers are unable to edit pages. I'm with you 2 years, I pay a subscription and like others I need my customers be able just to edit pages, not to see code that they don't understand. If you still will ignore us, we will have no other choice but to stop paying you for things that we cannot use. And I will no longer pay for 3rd year... Please answer us, this is important. We don't need a full content builder for our customers, just a way that they can edit what we create in Themler (pages) just see them in a graphic / visual way and change text, title, photo... Please
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Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 16 June 2018

They started work but somehow now this is not Visual Editor for Themler but a new product called Nicepage that not popular here because it's very limited for all who use all power of Themler.

More info in this topic: http://answers.themler.io/questions/73761/do-you-plan-to-develop-content-construction-kit-for-cms

The question is: why now we have Nicepage (no one from active Themler users ask for this new software) instead of Visual Editor plugin for Joomla/Wordpress? :)

Seems that there is some mist behind the scene :)

They started work but somehow now this is not Visual Editor for Themler but a new product called [Nicepage][1] that not popular here because it's very limited for all who use all power of Themler. More info in this topic: http://answers.themler.io/questions/73761/do-you-plan-to-develop-content-construction-kit-for-cms The question is: why now we have Nicepage (no one from active Themler users ask for this new software) instead of Visual Editor plugin for Joomla/Wordpress? :) Seems that there is some mist behind the scene :) [1]: https://nicepage.com
Linkebel
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Linkebel posted this 18 June 2018

Why did we get there?

Because of you, who still pays a subscription while the Themler team makes fun of you.

Because you are here at the top of the list as soon as it is an update that solves just a few small bugs.

Because people use and pay nicepage.

Because all the days when you get pigeons to rip off and these pigeons are you.

Quit Themler, you are masochistic or what ??????

Why did we get there? Because of you, who still pays a subscription while the Themler team makes fun of you. Because you are here at the top of the list as soon as it is an update that solves just a few small bugs. Because people use and pay nicepage. Because all the days when you get pigeons to rip off and these pigeons are you. Quit Themler, you are masochistic or what ??????
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 18 June 2018

Why did we get there?

Because Themler is the best and powerful tool for theme development with GUI (less coding).
There is still some small problems and many features requests, but in the current state - Themler is a complete and stable solution for work.

What is the reason to stop using product if it's works well?

I have used many other builders and all of the them more limited (Nicepage btw) unlike Themler.

Share here your own exp with other products (with name, url and framework based).

Because you are here at the top of the list as soon as it is an update
that solves just a few small bugs.

Well, it's great that Themler so stable that have only few bugs, one more reason to use it :)

> Why did we get there? Because Themler is the best and powerful tool for theme development with GUI (less coding). There is still some small problems and many features requests, but in the current state - Themler is a complete and stable solution for work. What is the reason to stop using product if it's works well? I have used many other builders and all of the them more limited (Nicepage btw) unlike Themler. Share here your own exp with other products (with name, url and framework based). > Because you are here at the top of the list as soon as it is an update > that solves just a few small bugs. Well, it's great that Themler so stable that have only few bugs, one more reason to use it :)
Linkebel
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Linkebel posted this 19 June 2018

I think Themelr has :
- too many unresolved bugs,
- most third party plugins create conflict,
- not enough features,
- is not seo-friendly,
- really very very slow,
- no product visibility in the future,
- promised features that will never see the day (visual editor, ...),
- no mode that allows the client to modify the site,
- adds a lot of incomprehensible shortcode for the customer,
- ...

the list is long

Currently I use:

With this there is nothing that I can not do in relation to Themelr, I even rebuilt the site made with Themler with Divi, and the sites run better with less bug and better SEO.

I can build from A to Z the header, the content, the footer, the articles, the Woocommerce pages (product page, shop page, basket page, ...)

All more easily, the Divi team bring a lot of update, have a map road, make crazy design for website and, they give a lot of advice, tips, tutorials of all kinds and the product is cheaper.

I think Themelr has : - too many unresolved bugs, - most third party plugins create conflict, - not enough features, - is not seo-friendly, - really very very slow, - no product visibility in the future, - promised features that will never see the day (visual editor, ...), - no mode that allows the client to modify the site, - adds a lot of incomprehensible shortcode for the customer, - ... the list is long Currently I use: - Wordpress - With the theme Divi - Plugin for Divi (https://elegantmarketplace.com/downloads/category/plugins/) - Woocommerce With this there is nothing that I can not do in relation to Themelr, I even rebuilt the site made with Themler with Divi, and the sites run better with less bug and better SEO. I can build from A to Z the header, the content, the footer, the articles, the Woocommerce pages (product page, shop page, basket page, ...) All more easily, the Divi team bring a lot of update, have a map road, make crazy design for website and, they give a lot of advice, tips, tutorials of all kinds and the product is cheaper.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 19 June 2018

Hello.

Some quick response. And this is IMHO.

Personally I don't meet any bugs or serius conflicts with other extensions. No many bug-topics here on forum.
This is just framework, so SEO in most way depended from CMS and plugins. And how you create theme: optimization, mobile first etc.
Themler work fast on my side with clean Chrome.
I not use Themler to create content, I use CMS and extensions for this.

I used DIVI for WP and SP Page Builder, Quix, JSN and Gridbox for Joomla.
Currently, Themler IMHO more powerful.

But for high-load websites, extra SEO-friendly and with any feature - there is one good solutions - raw framework (Bootstrap 4, UIkit) or even own framework.

BTW UIkit looks very good.

No roadmap - this is real problem of Themler. Now Themler works well and we have almost everything what need, but no one know about future of Themler, support team only write that have plan to support Themler.

What about new features, what about Bootstrap 4 - no words.

Hello. Some quick response. And this is IMHO. Personally I don't meet any bugs or serius conflicts with other extensions. No many bug-topics here on forum. This is just framework, so SEO in most way depended from CMS and plugins. And how you create theme: optimization, mobile first etc. Themler work fast on my side with clean Chrome. I not use Themler to create content, I use CMS and extensions for this. I used DIVI for WP and SP Page Builder, Quix, JSN and Gridbox for Joomla. Currently, Themler IMHO more powerful. But for high-load websites, extra SEO-friendly and with any feature - there is one good solutions - raw framework (Bootstrap 4, UIkit) or even own framework. BTW [UIkit][1] looks very good. No roadmap - this is real problem of Themler. Now Themler works well and we have almost everything what need, but no one know about future of Themler, support team only write that have plan to support Themler. What about new features, what about Bootstrap 4 - no words. [1]: https://getuikit.com
Linkebel
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Linkebel posted this 19 June 2018

Personally Themeler is already conflicting with the WPML language plugin and other plugin too, and the correctin was done, but the delay was too important without even giving a date or anything else, they say just it will settle in the next update, when the update will arrive, we can not say it, super!

So I went for an amateur with my customers, great !

If you use a viual builder to build your pages what is Themler, just for the header and the footer ???

As I told you there is not one thing that Themler can do in addition to what I use.

And what's more, I do not want to build my business with software that I do not even know what will become of it.

Personally Themeler is already conflicting with the WPML language plugin and other plugin too, and the correctin was done, but the delay was too important without even giving a date or anything else, they say just it will settle in the next update, when the update will arrive, we can not say it, super! So I went for an amateur with my customers, great ! If you use a viual builder to build your pages what is Themler, just for the header and the footer ??? As I told you there is not one thing that Themler can do in addition to what I use. And what's more, I do not want to build my business with software that I do not even know what will become of it.
Vitaliy WD
339 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 19 June 2018

Well, seems that there is different ways how to work with Themler (even how to run Themler).

I use Themler to create design (colors, fonts, etc.), menu and structure (header, footer, sections, joomla positions), responsive model. No reason for me to use Themler to create content (without Visual Editor).

Depended from task I choose CMS. For example: if I need multilanguage website I use Joomla as it supports multilanguage in native way, without any hacks or plugins (like a WPML in WP).

If I need slideshow - there is Smart Slider 3 that more powerful instead of native Themler slideshow,

For some block we can take other extensions, for example SP features or Shortcode Ultimate.
For forms, gallery, map etc. - other extensions from Joomla! Extensions Directory (almost 8k extensions available).

For ecommerce - Prestashop or OpenCart. What is the reason to use WooCommerce or VM if there is additional CMS for this tasks... only if ecommerce is a small part of website.

In overall:
For design and structure: Themler
For content: CMS (Content Management System)

No one know how long DIVI or other builder will be on air. But there is roadmap for near future.
Themler don't have roadmap and this is serious lack.

Currently Themler just works and works well for many users here.
If Themler will not support new CMS version (Joomla 4, WP 5) and other modern technology (new Bootstrap, CSS/HTML standarts etc.) - he will lost his users.

Some users really need Visual Editor plugin from Themler. And that plugin can be helpful in some cases. Maybe it will replace Shortcode Ultimate and other extension. This can be awesome. But why Themler stop this plugin development? This question to dev team :)

Well, seems that there is different ways how to work with Themler (even how to run Themler). I use Themler to create design (colors, fonts, etc.), menu and structure (header, footer, sections, joomla positions), responsive model. No reason for me to use Themler to create content (without Visual Editor). Depended from task I choose CMS. For example: if I need multilanguage website I use Joomla as it supports multilanguage in native way, without any hacks or plugins (like a WPML in WP). If I need slideshow - there is [Smart Slider 3][1] that more powerful instead of native Themler slideshow, For some block we can take other extensions, for example [SP features][2] or [Shortcode Ultimate][3]. For forms, gallery, map etc. - other extensions from [Joomla! Extensions Directory][4] (almost 8k extensions available). For ecommerce - Prestashop or OpenCart. What is the reason to use WooCommerce or VM if there is additional CMS for this tasks... only if ecommerce is a small part of website. In overall: For design and structure: Themler For content: CMS (**Content** Management System) No one know how long DIVI or other builder will be on air. But there is roadmap for near future. Themler don't have roadmap and this is serious lack. Currently Themler just works and works well for many users here. If Themler will not support new CMS version (Joomla 4, WP 5) and other modern technology (new Bootstrap, CSS/HTML standarts etc.) - he will lost his users. Some users really need Visual Editor plugin from Themler. And that plugin can be helpful in some cases. Maybe it will replace Shortcode Ultimate and other extension. This can be awesome. But why Themler stop this plugin development? This question to dev team :) [1]: https://smartslider3.com [2]: https://www.joomshaper.com/joomla-extensions/sp-features [3]: https://bdthemes.com/portfolio-item/shortcode-ultimate-plugin-for-joomla/ [4]: https://extensions.joomla.org
Vitaliy WD
339 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 25 June 2018

Just now watched this video about Nicepage: https://youtu.be/vs9XOGeoQzA - looks good.
But on video it's simple as on Themler video: https://youtu.be/Q4ZZlILZJ_A

Few great and simple videos for inspiration:
Wix: https://youtu.be/2GX_WZZ4uDs - so simple. no?
Site123: https://youtu.be/L1lS_w_w5KE - not so hard.
Weebly: https://youtu.be/Q54rdwe-9s0 - looks good too.
Instapage: https://youtu.be/GydyxTg6GeE - yep.
Pinegrow: https://youtu.be/ITSMOYJ6usA - still simple.

But how about some Themler alternatives? There nothing as a Themler unique powerful tool.
Far far away from Themler there is SP Page Builder and Divi (IMHO). But this products move forward while Themler stop.

Themler developers, please come back.
Share your plans and roadmap.

Just now watched this video about Nicepage: https://youtu.be/vs9XOGeoQzA - looks good. But on video it's simple as on Themler video: https://youtu.be/Q4ZZlILZJ_A Few great and simple videos for inspiration: Wix: https://youtu.be/2GX_WZZ4uDs - so simple. no? Site123: https://youtu.be/L1lS_w_w5KE - not so hard. Weebly: https://youtu.be/Q54rdwe-9s0 - looks good too. Instapage: https://youtu.be/GydyxTg6GeE - yep. Pinegrow: https://youtu.be/ITSMOYJ6usA - still simple. But how about some Themler alternatives? There nothing as a Themler unique powerful tool. Far far away from Themler there is SP Page Builder and Divi (IMHO). But this products move forward while Themler stop. Themler developers, please come back. Share your plans and roadmap.
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