Please add an option to use an off-canvas menu in templates

shaulhadar
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shaulhadar posted this 19 November 2014

Hello Themler Team.

Thanks for all your great work!
I have a wish for future updates.
Please add an off-canvas menu, especially for the responsive menu modes.

Here is a clean example of that that uses bootstrap 3 , so maybe you can see how to use this type of menu in themler:

https://jasny.github.io/bootstrap/examples/navmenu-reveal/

Thank you so much for your time,
Shaul.

Hello Themler Team. Thanks for all your great work! I have a wish for future updates. Please add an off-canvas menu, especially for the responsive menu modes. Here is a clean example of that that uses bootstrap 3 , so maybe you can see how to use this type of menu in themler: https://jasny.github.io/bootstrap/examples/navmenu-reveal/ Thank you so much for your time, Shaul.

Last edited 19 November 2014 by Support Team

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Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 2 days ago

And uPage direction was decided by users who do not know anything and don't want to learn and know even basics. They need one button "Generate".

Artisteer was very easy with this supper button "Generate" (Suggest), but with possibility to work with code after export, so you can edit there index.php and template.css, create new section, styles etc. It was cool.

Themler no so comfortable for custom coding but give us possibility to create many things just with drag'n' drop, use GUI for sections etc. So less coding, but still need to know development basics, how Grid works, what is relative and absolute position, differences between padding and margin etc.

In overall, Themler is tool for junior developers or for developers who want to save time and less code. So need represent Themler as tool for developers. Attract more developers.

Some of developers will be with extra skills (like Stagger Lee). Then, when new community of Themler will be here, Themler can create SDK and Marketplace to allow skilled developers write own solutions and "controls" for Themler.

And uPage direction was decided by users who do not know anything and don't want to learn and know even basics. They need one button "Generate". Artisteer was very easy with this supper button "Generate" (Suggest), but with possibility to work with code after export, so you can edit there index.php and template.css, create new section, styles etc. It was cool. Themler no so comfortable for custom coding but give us possibility to create many things just with drag'n' drop, use GUI for sections etc. So less coding, but still need to know development basics, how Grid works, what is relative and absolute position, differences between padding and margin etc. In overall, Themler is tool for junior developers or for developers who want to save time and less code. So need represent Themler as tool for developers. Attract more developers. Some of developers will be with extra skills (like Stagger Lee). Then, when new community of Themler will be here, Themler can create SDK and Marketplace to allow skilled developers write own solutions and "controls" for Themler.
Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 2 days ago

Extraordinary coders and developers, but they never had anything to say. Artisteer and Themler direction was decided by people who do not know what developers making themes and code need.

Extraordinary coders and developers, but they never had anything to say. Artisteer and Themler direction was decided by people who do not know what developers making themes and code need.
me321
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me321 posted this 2 days ago

Yeah they introduced something like that for artisteer too, but it didn't get followed through.
However, a market place is still not totally open source. An open source themler I imagine would get huge interest from the Drupal community alone, it's not easy to theme for Drupal and Themler makes it a breeze.

WordPress theming (I have no personal experience) is even harder, or so I've heard.

So I can't imagine not having a good number of smart people developing for themler if it's released out in the open.

Yeah they introduced something like that for artisteer too, but it didn't get followed through. However, a market place is still not totally open source. An open source themler I imagine would get huge interest from the Drupal community alone, it's not easy to theme for Drupal and Themler makes it a breeze. WordPress theming (I have no personal experience) is even harder, or so I've heard. So I can't imagine not having a good number of smart people developing for themler if it's released out in the open.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 2 days ago

In 2014 they planned to create Marketplace and SDK.

Here is a quote from this post:

We have plans to release the Marketplace soon as we have intends to
base all the Themler features on the SDK that can be used by any other
developer.

On the Marketplace you will be able to download external or upload
your components and plug-ins to add the support for different CMSs and
use some specific controls.

But now they abandoned this idea.

In 2014 they planned to create Marketplace and SDK. Here is a quote from [this post][1]: > We have plans to release the Marketplace soon as we have intends to > base all the Themler features on the SDK that can be used by any other > developer. > > On the Marketplace you will be able to download external or upload > your components and plug-ins to add the support for different CMSs and > use some specific controls. But now they abandoned this idea. [1]: http://answers.themler.io/questions/2775/themler-opencart#post-2796
me321
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me321 posted this 2 days ago

@SH707, yeah I don't mean the WordPress model of open source. I mean like the Drupal version of it, where contributions are all free.

It would extend the features of themler, and thereby its complexity. That complexity allows for theme developers to profit (more) from the themes they create, and collectively contribute back any code improvements to themler back to the community for free.

That way everybody wins.

@SH707, yeah I don't mean the WordPress model of open source. I mean like the Drupal version of it, where contributions are all free. It would extend the features of themler, and thereby its complexity. That complexity allows for theme developers to profit (more) from the themes they create, and collectively contribute back any code improvements to themler back to the community for free. That way everybody wins.
SH707
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SH707 posted this 2 days ago

Wenn themler open source gehen würde, würden einige entwickler viel dran machen - allerdings werden diese wieder für extra zusatzplugins cash verlangen genauso wie bei 99% der wordpress plugins. ich finde das nicht gut.

Wenn themler open source gehen würde, würden einige entwickler viel dran machen - allerdings werden diese wieder für extra zusatzplugins cash verlangen genauso wie bei 99% der wordpress plugins. ich finde das nicht gut.
me321
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me321 posted this 4 days ago

It would be great if themler went open source.

With whatever useful code then going into upage without restriction.

Themler is awesome and the support team has always been superb. Really going above and beyond. If anything I guess this thread shows, is how much people value the software. That's worth a lot, but not necessarily easy to monetize. Open source could be a win-win.

Right now the lack of advertising that's been pointed out a few times in this thread and also the structure of the pricing plan may indicate there isn't a hard hitting monetization strategy behind themler to begin with... So if that's the case, release the code!

It would be great if themler went open source. With whatever useful code then going into upage without restriction. Themler is awesome and the support team has always been superb. Really going above and beyond. If anything I guess this thread shows, is how much people value the software. That's worth a lot, but not necessarily easy to monetize. Open source could be a win-win. Right now the lack of advertising that's been pointed out a few times in this thread and also the structure of the pricing plan may indicate there isn't a hard hitting monetization strategy behind themler to begin with... So if that's the case, release the code!
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 4 days ago

Image to attract attention.

Themler developers, come back, we're waiting for you :)

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Special huge thanks to support team that not leave us. Especially to Olivia, she is the best and helps a lot.

***Image to attract attention.*** Themler developers, come back, we're waiting for you :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ![enter image description here][1] Special huge thanks to support team that not leave us. Especially to Olivia, she is the best and helps a lot. [1]: https://s17.postimg.org/o9mqfa8y7/screenshot-themler.io-2018-02-14-16-49-42-490.png
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 5 days ago

Who need this "third party plugin that will resemble say uPage"? :)
Who need uPage for CMS in overall?
uPage just grab text and images from CMS and make collage from this data.

So question is: when developers come back to Themler? :)
Now we make this discus in topic about offcanvas menu (sidebar) as this is most wanted feature, When this feature can be realized? :)

It's all ok with uPage, this product maybe found his users. As Dave says: I wish them well too, hope it gets done and works. But many Themler users waiting for developers here.

Who need this "third party plugin that will resemble say uPage"? :) Who need uPage for CMS in overall? uPage just grab text and images from CMS and make collage from this data. So question is: when developers come back to Themler? :) Now we make this discus in topic about offcanvas menu (sidebar) as this is most wanted feature, When this feature can be realized? :) It's all ok with uPage, this product maybe found his users. As Dave says: I wish them well too, hope it gets done and works. But many Themler users waiting for developers here.
Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 6 days ago

Gutenberg will very soon be Template Editor, Page editor and content editor. Standardized blocks in WP, so third party plugins will easy catch up.
As Drupal is modular (blocks), so will WP be, close to.

So, it will be trivial for skillful coder(s) to make third party plugin that will resemble say uPage. What is discutable is will it be cheaper than uPage. That will decide battle.

Gutenberg will very soon be Template Editor, Page editor and content editor. Standardized blocks in WP, so third party plugins will easy catch up. As Drupal is modular (blocks), so will WP be, close to. So, it will be trivial for skillful coder(s) to make third party plugin that will resemble say uPage. What is discutable is will it be cheaper than uPage. That will decide battle.

Last edited 6 days ago by Stagger Lee

DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 6 days ago

I am not happy they chose to go this route. Again, they do ZERO marketing but are not making money?

With the rise of all the cloud sitebuiders it seems pointless anyway. It would be different if they had a new team for this but now we sit hoping we don't get scrapped for the page builder thing. I'll never use it in place of Themler.

I wish them well, hope it gets done and works. We need better mobile integration now though.

Never ending frustrations.

I am not happy they chose to go this route. Again, they do ZERO marketing but are not making money? With the rise of all the cloud sitebuiders it seems pointless anyway. It would be different if they had a new team for this but now we sit hoping we don't get scrapped for the page builder thing. I'll never use it in place of Themler. I wish them well, hope it gets done and works. We need better mobile integration now though. Never ending frustrations.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 6 days ago

Gutenberg is something like YooTheme Pro?

I think Gutenberg will be not in same league as uPage.

Main feature (core feature) of uPage - drop url and get complete random template.
Yes, yo can customize this template, but for this need some skills, at least design skills to know what do you want to get.

So uPage want to be limited version of Themler? Not easy and limited.
Or easy but only for random template generation?
Very strange.

Gutenberg is something like [YooTheme Pro][1]? I think Gutenberg will be not in same league as uPage. Main feature (core feature) of uPage - drop url and get complete random template. Yes, yo can customize this template, but for this need some skills, at least design skills to know what do you want to get. So uPage want to be limited version of Themler? Not easy and limited. Or easy but only for random template generation? Very strange. [1]: https://yootheme.com/pro/
Stagger Lee
1836 Posts
Stagger Lee posted this 6 days ago

Gutenberg will very soon kill uPage. At least for WordPress. They can earn money on licences for Joomla, html websites, shops, or similar. But Wordpress is very soon out of the game.

Gutenberg will very soon kill uPage. At least for WordPress. They can earn money on licences for Joomla, html websites, shops, or similar. But Wordpress is very soon out of the game.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 6 days ago

Hope to hear something from Themler team...

Hope to hear something from Themler team...
me321
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me321 posted this 1 weeks ago

@vitaley WD,

Well said! 100% agreed. Good slogan too.

@vitaley WD, Well said! 100% agreed. Good slogan too.
Vitaliy WD
239 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 1 weeks ago

Support Team posted this 27 September 2017

Hi,

Sorry, no exact news about that, we'll be back to the new features as
soon as we are ready. For now we keep on fixing bugs.

Sincerely, Hella

Hello Themler team.

I see that uPage released major update.
Many of users here have been waiting for this uPage update with only one wish... that you can finally return to Themler.
So, maybe you can back to Themler? And start from offcanvas?

How about new features, new users, new subscriptions and renewals for Themler?
Just give us something new for that we can pay. I'm sure that many of users will be back and renew his subscriptions.

Maybe you can create survey: Themler vs uPage - which of these products users want to have with priority?

Maybe it's time to attract serious users for Themler, grow up Themler community.
Take a new slogan for Themler: "Powerful instrument for developers" instead of "easy design tool with no skills required...".

You have excellent support team and great developers, but strange way and direction... And no marketing at all (old Artisteer banners with remarketing). Take a look to extensions.joomla.org and put there Themler banners.

> *Support Team posted this 27 September 2017* > > Hi, > > Sorry, no exact news about that, we'll be back to the new features as > soon as we are ready. For now we keep on fixing bugs. > > Sincerely, Hella Hello Themler team. I see that uPage [released][1] major update. Many of users here have been waiting for this uPage update with only one wish... that you can finally return to Themler. So, maybe you can back to Themler? And start from offcanvas? How about new features, new users, new subscriptions and renewals for Themler? Just give us something new for that we can pay. I'm sure that many of users will be back and renew his subscriptions. Maybe you can create survey: Themler vs uPage - which of these products users want to have with priority? Maybe it's time to attract serious users for Themler, grow up Themler community. Take a new slogan for Themler: "Powerful instrument for developers" instead of "easy design tool with no skills required...". You have excellent support team and great developers, but strange way and direction... And no marketing at all (old Artisteer banners with remarketing). Take a look to extensions.joomla.org and put there Themler banners. [1]: https://upage.io/questions/1196/upage-update-8-february-2018
Stagger Lee
1836 Posts
Stagger Lee posted this 2 weeks ago

Right now I am trying to call template from "includes" folder without getting fatal error for calling theme_blog_x() twice.
Main template cannot I call, despite it works. It includes head and footer, despite beeing disabled on this template.

Have to find some workaround it. All of this is normal behaviour, Themler is not doing anything wrong.

Right now I am trying to call template from "includes" folder without getting fatal error for calling **theme_blog_x()** twice. Main template cannot I call, despite it works. It includes head and footer, despite beeing disabled on this template. Have to find some workaround it. All of this is normal behaviour, Themler is not doing anything wrong.
Stagger Lee
1836 Posts
Stagger Lee posted this 2 weeks ago

What is there to understand. They chased away all developers and now there is nobody to code. Rest of developers they sent tu uPage project, and it is it.

Better not to mention any third party plugins here. You give them excuses.

What is there to understand. They chased away all developers and now there is nobody to code. Rest of developers they sent tu uPage project, and it is it. Better not to mention any third party plugins here. You give them excuses.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 2 weeks ago

This suggestion to Themler Dev team :)

Now simplest way is 3rd party extensions: DJ-MegaMenu (support offcanvas and in Themler we can put this module for mobile mode only, for desctop use native Themler menu), EngageBox (you can try Side Navigation Menu trigger there), Za Canvas Menu etc.

I can't understand, why Themler support native Slideshow (there is a lot of more useful 3rd party extensions, for example Smart Slider 3), but don't want to create native offcanvas panel support, that will be more useful rather than 3rd party extensions, because then we can add inside it any controls from Themler.

This suggestion to Themler Dev team :) Now simplest way is 3rd party extensions: [DJ-MegaMenu][1] (support offcanvas and in Themler we can put this module for mobile mode only, for desctop use native Themler menu), [EngageBox][2] (you can try Side Navigation Menu trigger there), [Za Canvas Menu][3] etc. I can't understand, why Themler support native Slideshow (there is a lot of more useful 3rd party extensions, for example [Smart Slider 3][4]), but don't want to create native offcanvas panel support, that will be more useful rather than 3rd party extensions, because then we can add inside it any controls from Themler. [1]: https://dj-extensions.com/dj-megamenu [2]: https://www.tassos.gr/joomla-extensions/engagebox [3]: http://canvas.za-studio.net [4]: https://smartslider3.com
Stagger Lee
1836 Posts
Stagger Lee posted this 2 weeks ago

Then create and put section ZIP here or theme. Nobody is sharing anything on forum.

Then create and put section ZIP here or theme. Nobody is sharing anything on forum.
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