Please add an option to use an off-canvas menu in templates

shaulhadar
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shaulhadar posted this 19 November 2014

Hello Themler Team.

Thanks for all your great work!
I have a wish for future updates.
Please add an off-canvas menu, especially for the responsive menu modes.

Here is a clean example of that that uses bootstrap 3 , so maybe you can see how to use this type of menu in themler:

https://jasny.github.io/bootstrap/examples/navmenu-reveal/

Thank you so much for your time,
Shaul.

Hello Themler Team. Thanks for all your great work! I have a wish for future updates. Please add an off-canvas menu, especially for the responsive menu modes. Here is a clean example of that that uses bootstrap 3 , so maybe you can see how to use this type of menu in themler: https://jasny.github.io/bootstrap/examples/navmenu-reveal/ Thank you so much for your time, Shaul.

Last edited 19 November 2014 by Support Team

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Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 12 February 2018

Gutenberg will very soon kill uPage. At least for WordPress. They can earn money on licences for Joomla, html websites, shops, or similar. But Wordpress is very soon out of the game.

Gutenberg will very soon kill uPage. At least for WordPress. They can earn money on licences for Joomla, html websites, shops, or similar. But Wordpress is very soon out of the game.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 12 February 2018

Gutenberg is something like YooTheme Pro?

I think Gutenberg will be not in same league as uPage.

Main feature (core feature) of uPage - drop url and get complete random template.
Yes, yo can customize this template, but for this need some skills, at least design skills to know what do you want to get.

So uPage want to be limited version of Themler? Not easy and limited.
Or easy but only for random template generation?
Very strange.

Gutenberg is something like [YooTheme Pro][1]? I think Gutenberg will be not in same league as uPage. Main feature (core feature) of uPage - drop url and get complete random template. Yes, yo can customize this template, but for this need some skills, at least design skills to know what do you want to get. So uPage want to be limited version of Themler? Not easy and limited. Or easy but only for random template generation? Very strange. [1]: https://yootheme.com/pro/
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 12 February 2018

I am not happy they chose to go this route. Again, they do ZERO marketing but are not making money?

With the rise of all the cloud sitebuiders it seems pointless anyway. It would be different if they had a new team for this but now we sit hoping we don't get scrapped for the page builder thing. I'll never use it in place of Themler.

I wish them well, hope it gets done and works. We need better mobile integration now though.

Never ending frustrations.

I am not happy they chose to go this route. Again, they do ZERO marketing but are not making money? With the rise of all the cloud sitebuiders it seems pointless anyway. It would be different if they had a new team for this but now we sit hoping we don't get scrapped for the page builder thing. I'll never use it in place of Themler. I wish them well, hope it gets done and works. We need better mobile integration now though. Never ending frustrations.
Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 12 February 2018

Gutenberg will very soon be Template Editor, Page editor and content editor. Standardized blocks in WP, so third party plugins will easy catch up.
As Drupal is modular (blocks), so will WP be, close to.

So, it will be trivial for skillful coder(s) to make third party plugin that will resemble say uPage. What is discutable is will it be cheaper than uPage. That will decide battle.

Gutenberg will very soon be Template Editor, Page editor and content editor. Standardized blocks in WP, so third party plugins will easy catch up. As Drupal is modular (blocks), so will WP be, close to. So, it will be trivial for skillful coder(s) to make third party plugin that will resemble say uPage. What is discutable is will it be cheaper than uPage. That will decide battle.

Last edited 12 February 2018 by Stagger Lee

Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 13 February 2018

Who need this "third party plugin that will resemble say uPage"? :)
Who need uPage for CMS in overall?
uPage just grab text and images from CMS and make collage from this data.

So question is: when developers come back to Themler? :)
Now we make this discus in topic about offcanvas menu (sidebar) as this is most wanted feature, When this feature can be realized? :)

It's all ok with uPage, this product maybe found his users. As Dave says: I wish them well too, hope it gets done and works. But many Themler users waiting for developers here.

Who need this "third party plugin that will resemble say uPage"? :) Who need uPage for CMS in overall? uPage just grab text and images from CMS and make collage from this data. So question is: when developers come back to Themler? :) Now we make this discus in topic about offcanvas menu (sidebar) as this is most wanted feature, When this feature can be realized? :) It's all ok with uPage, this product maybe found his users. As Dave says: I wish them well too, hope it gets done and works. But many Themler users waiting for developers here.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 14 February 2018

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Themler developers, come back, we're waiting for you :)

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Special huge thanks to support team that not leave us. Especially to Olivia, she is the best and helps a lot.

***Image to attract attention.*** Themler developers, come back, we're waiting for you :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ![enter image description here][1] Special huge thanks to support team that not leave us. Especially to Olivia, she is the best and helps a lot. [1]: https://s17.postimg.org/o9mqfa8y7/screenshot-themler.io-2018-02-14-16-49-42-490.png
me321
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me321 posted this 14 February 2018

It would be great if themler went open source.

With whatever useful code then going into upage without restriction.

Themler is awesome and the support team has always been superb. Really going above and beyond. If anything I guess this thread shows, is how much people value the software. That's worth a lot, but not necessarily easy to monetize. Open source could be a win-win.

Right now the lack of advertising that's been pointed out a few times in this thread and also the structure of the pricing plan may indicate there isn't a hard hitting monetization strategy behind themler to begin with... So if that's the case, release the code!

It would be great if themler went open source. With whatever useful code then going into upage without restriction. Themler is awesome and the support team has always been superb. Really going above and beyond. If anything I guess this thread shows, is how much people value the software. That's worth a lot, but not necessarily easy to monetize. Open source could be a win-win. Right now the lack of advertising that's been pointed out a few times in this thread and also the structure of the pricing plan may indicate there isn't a hard hitting monetization strategy behind themler to begin with... So if that's the case, release the code!
SH707
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SH707 posted this 16 February 2018

Wenn themler open source gehen würde, würden einige entwickler viel dran machen - allerdings werden diese wieder für extra zusatzplugins cash verlangen genauso wie bei 99% der wordpress plugins. ich finde das nicht gut.

Wenn themler open source gehen würde, würden einige entwickler viel dran machen - allerdings werden diese wieder für extra zusatzplugins cash verlangen genauso wie bei 99% der wordpress plugins. ich finde das nicht gut.
me321
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me321 posted this 16 February 2018

@SH707, yeah I don't mean the WordPress model of open source. I mean like the Drupal version of it, where contributions are all free.

It would extend the features of themler, and thereby its complexity. That complexity allows for theme developers to profit (more) from the themes they create, and collectively contribute back any code improvements to themler back to the community for free.

That way everybody wins.

@SH707, yeah I don't mean the WordPress model of open source. I mean like the Drupal version of it, where contributions are all free. It would extend the features of themler, and thereby its complexity. That complexity allows for theme developers to profit (more) from the themes they create, and collectively contribute back any code improvements to themler back to the community for free. That way everybody wins.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 16 February 2018

In 2014 they planned to create Marketplace and SDK.

Here is a quote from this post:

We have plans to release the Marketplace soon as we have intends to
base all the Themler features on the SDK that can be used by any other
developer.

On the Marketplace you will be able to download external or upload
your components and plug-ins to add the support for different CMSs and
use some specific controls.

But now they abandoned this idea.

In 2014 they planned to create Marketplace and SDK. Here is a quote from [this post][1]: > We have plans to release the Marketplace soon as we have intends to > base all the Themler features on the SDK that can be used by any other > developer. > > On the Marketplace you will be able to download external or upload > your components and plug-ins to add the support for different CMSs and > use some specific controls. But now they abandoned this idea. [1]: http://answers.themler.io/questions/2775/themler-opencart#post-2796
me321
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me321 posted this 16 February 2018

Yeah they introduced something like that for artisteer too, but it didn't get followed through.
However, a market place is still not totally open source. An open source themler I imagine would get huge interest from the Drupal community alone, it's not easy to theme for Drupal and Themler makes it a breeze.

WordPress theming (I have no personal experience) is even harder, or so I've heard.

So I can't imagine not having a good number of smart people developing for themler if it's released out in the open.

Yeah they introduced something like that for artisteer too, but it didn't get followed through. However, a market place is still not totally open source. An open source themler I imagine would get huge interest from the Drupal community alone, it's not easy to theme for Drupal and Themler makes it a breeze. WordPress theming (I have no personal experience) is even harder, or so I've heard. So I can't imagine not having a good number of smart people developing for themler if it's released out in the open.
Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 16 February 2018

Extraordinary coders and developers, but they never had anything to say. Artisteer and Themler direction was decided by people who do not know what developers making themes and code need.

Extraordinary coders and developers, but they never had anything to say. Artisteer and Themler direction was decided by people who do not know what developers making themes and code need.
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 16 February 2018

And uPage direction was decided by users who do not know anything and don't want to learn and know even basics. They need one button "Generate".

Artisteer was very easy with this supper button "Generate" (Suggest), but with possibility to work with code after export, so you can edit there index.php and template.css, create new section, styles etc. It was cool.

Themler no so comfortable for custom coding but give us possibility to create many things just with drag'n' drop, use GUI for sections etc. So less coding, but still need to know development basics, how Grid works, what is relative and absolute position, differences between padding and margin etc.

In overall, Themler is tool for junior developers or for developers who want to save time and less code. So need represent Themler as tool for developers. Attract more developers.

Some of developers will be with extra skills (like Stagger Lee). Then, when new community of Themler will be here, Themler can create SDK and Marketplace to allow skilled developers write own solutions and "controls" for Themler.

And uPage direction was decided by users who do not know anything and don't want to learn and know even basics. They need one button "Generate". Artisteer was very easy with this supper button "Generate" (Suggest), but with possibility to work with code after export, so you can edit there index.php and template.css, create new section, styles etc. It was cool. Themler no so comfortable for custom coding but give us possibility to create many things just with drag'n' drop, use GUI for sections etc. So less coding, but still need to know development basics, how Grid works, what is relative and absolute position, differences between padding and margin etc. In overall, Themler is tool for junior developers or for developers who want to save time and less code. So need represent Themler as tool for developers. Attract more developers. Some of developers will be with extra skills (like Stagger Lee). Then, when new community of Themler will be here, Themler can create SDK and Marketplace to allow skilled developers write own solutions and "controls" for Themler.
me321
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me321 posted this 22 February 2018

In my experience, there's a fatal flaw in trying to make webdesign easy for people who know nothing about webdesign. It's not true that if you remove the need for coding, all of a sudden everybody can make sites. A good looking site is still not necessarily a successful site. And when you release software that is easy to use, it inevitably lacks options. And so new features will be requested over time, and something like upage turns into themler.

To have a good website you need a good developer, marketer and UI/ux artist. So to me, the more obvious "marketplace" would be right here... Why not use the many people in the themler community, and create a "hire a freelancer" kind of thing? People with knowledge and experience can create themler themes for people, quick and cheap. And those people can always buy themler if they really want to make changes themselves, and are willing to dedicate time and effort. The community can also create online courses in themler for them, and perhaps collect a small piece of revenue.

There's people who want cheap, good looking sites. And here there are people able to make those sites, cheaply and quickly but with professional backgrounds in the industry.

How about something like that?

In my experience, there's a fatal flaw in trying to make webdesign easy for people who know nothing about webdesign. It's not true that if you remove the need for coding, all of a sudden everybody can make sites. A good looking site is still not necessarily a successful site. And when you release software that is easy to use, it inevitably lacks options. And so new features will be requested over time, and something like upage turns into themler. To have a good website you need a good developer, marketer and UI/ux artist. So to me, the more obvious "marketplace" would be right here... Why not use the many people in the themler community, and create a "hire a freelancer" kind of thing? People with knowledge and experience can create themler themes for people, quick and cheap. And those people can always buy themler if they really want to make changes themselves, and are willing to dedicate time and effort. The community can also create online courses in themler for them, and perhaps collect a small piece of revenue. There's people who want cheap, good looking sites. And here there are people able to make those sites, cheaply and quickly but with professional backgrounds in the industry. How about something like that?
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 26 February 2018

Good thoughts. This is true, good website is not only design (that you can generate and maybe.... just maybe generated design will be ok). UX, SEO, marketing, technical aspects - it's all about website.

The only one conclusion: need to develop Themler and community.

Themler really can help with website development, instead of uPage (IMHO).

Someone from Themler team read this topic?
Who is behind Themler now (I mean CEO and CTO)?
What do you think about this last ideas? Let's communicate.

Good thoughts. This is true, good website is not only design (that you can generate and maybe.... just maybe generated design will be ok). UX, SEO, marketing, technical aspects - it's all about website. The only one conclusion: need to develop Themler and community. Themler really can help with website development, instead of uPage (IMHO). Someone from Themler team read this topic? Who is behind Themler now (I mean CEO and CTO)? What do you think about this last ideas? Let's communicate.
me321
70 Posts
me321 posted this 26 February 2018

The only one conclusion: need to develop Themler and community.

Themler really can help with website development, instead of uPage (IMHO).

Totally agree! If the themler team isn't interested, maybe we can setup a platform for the themler community to offer their design services! Selling not just themler themes but also professional consulting, ux, seo, hosting, etc.

I'd be very interested to contribute.

> The only one conclusion: need to develop Themler and community. > > Themler really can help with website development, instead of uPage (IMHO). > Totally agree! If the themler team isn't interested, maybe we can setup a platform for the themler community to offer their design services! Selling not just themler themes but also professional consulting, ux, seo, hosting, etc. I'd be very interested to contribute.

Last edited 26 February 2018 by me321

Support Team posted this 3 weeks ago

Hi!

We are glad to tell that we have implemented the Off Canvas and Slide menu options in the new Themler beta that was released today:
https://answers.themler.io/questions/162468/themler-v-444-beta-update-04-may-2018

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi! We are glad to tell that we have implemented the Off Canvas and Slide menu options in the new Themler beta that was released today: https://answers.themler.io/questions/162468/themler-v-444-beta-update-04-may-2018 Sincerely, Hella
Vitaliy WD
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Vitaliy WD posted this 3 weeks ago

Hi!

We are glad to tell that we have implemented the Off Canvas and Slide menu options in the new Themler beta that was released today:
https://answers.themler.io/questions/162468/themler-v-444-beta-update-04-may-2018

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi.

Is this panel have a position for modules / widgets like a right/left sidebar?
It's very important to put there not only menu, but also language switcher, second menu, search field, logo or just module / widget.

> Hi! > > We are glad to tell that we have implemented the Off Canvas and Slide menu options in the new Themler beta that was released today: > https://answers.themler.io/questions/162468/themler-v-444-beta-update-04-may-2018 > > Sincerely, > Hella Hi. Is this panel have a position for modules / widgets like a right/left sidebar? It's very important to put there not only menu, but also language switcher, second menu, search field, logo or just module / widget.
DaveOzric
720 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 3 weeks ago

Very exiting new feature, thanks for adding this.

Is the only way to close it with the close icon?

Thanks

Very exiting new feature, thanks for adding this. Is the only way to close it with the close icon? Thanks
Web IT Solutions LLP
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Web IT Solutions LLP posted this 3 weeks ago

Sir, Kindly find the screenshot attached for your reference.

Some of the Feature we are looking for it

A) Can we get the option to add one icon or image or logo on our menu?
B) Animations for mobile menu slide like flip, drop from the top, right, left, bottom, shake etc...?
C) Can we change the background flip color?
D) The flip background is that possible?

As our brother Mr. Shaulhadar shared,

http://www.jasny.net/bootstrap/examples/navmenu-reveal/

This vertical div scrolling is missing in Mobile Menu...

This is really full fledge one of the greatest examples... check the link below

Best Example
https://tympanus.net/Development/SidebarTransitions/
https://tympanus.net/Development/OffCanvasMenuEffects/elastic.html

Hope you consider the above link and make Themler one of the Greatest UI Design Tool Again forever ;-)

Thanks
Suffian Ahmed

Sir, Kindly find the screenshot attached for your reference. Some of the Feature we are looking for it A) Can we get the option to add one icon or image or logo on our menu? B) Animations for mobile menu slide like flip, drop from the top, right, left, bottom, shake etc...? C) Can we change the background flip color? D) The flip background is that possible? As our brother Mr. Shaulhadar shared, http://www.jasny.net/bootstrap/examples/navmenu-reveal/ This vertical div scrolling is missing in Mobile Menu... This is really full fledge one of the greatest examples... check the link below Best Example https://tympanus.net/Development/SidebarTransitions/ https://tympanus.net/Development/OffCanvasMenuEffects/elastic.html Hope you consider the above link and make Themler one of the Greatest UI Design Tool Again forever ;-) Thanks Suffian Ahmed
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