SEO in Themler - don't repeat Artisteers major flaw

DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 14 April 2015

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular.

As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export.

  1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the...

  2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2.

Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular. As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export. 1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the... 2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2. Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.
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DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 25 August 2016

Hi, that's because most people are unaware of this. It was a mistake and should be fixed asap. It would take 5 minutes for your team so i am starting to assume you are not ever going to do this.

I know it would take you 10 minutes tops. 5 months and you cannot spend 10 minutes. Why won't you fix this? You have it correct on the default theme template already. I don't like being mislead. If you are not going to fix it then just say so.

You have already agreed Joomla should be H1 so it's a bug in my opinion.

Thanks

Hi, that's because most people are unaware of this. It was a mistake and should be fixed asap. It would take 5 minutes for your team so i am starting to assume you are not ever going to do this. I know it would take you 10 minutes tops. 5 months and you cannot spend 10 minutes. Why won't you fix this? You have it correct on the default theme template already. I don't like being mislead. If you are not going to fix it then just say so. You have already agreed Joomla should be H1 so it's a bug in my opinion. Thanks
Support Team
Support Team posted this 29 August 2016

Hi,

Unfortunately the whole process (investigating, fixing, testing) will take not just 10 min.
The task is still opened. While it is open there is a possibility that it will be fixed. To change priority we need at least a few more requests.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, Unfortunately the whole process (investigating, fixing, testing) will take not just 10 min. The task is still opened. While it is open there is a possibility that it will be fixed. To change priority we need at least a few more requests. Thank you, Olivia

Last edited 29 August 2016 by Support Team

DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 30 August 2016

Hello, I am disappointed by your stance on this. We both know there is no such testing, fixing or investigation needed to implement this. You are simply changing the tag container just like it already is in the default template. There are 5 votes for this and you just don't want to do it for some reason. If you don't want to do it then please say so. The Joomla CMS is designed to be this way and you for some reason want to do things your own way. Why?

I do not want to use your simple workaround for many reasons.

Can you please ask them if they could please remedy this sometime in a future update.

I would appreciate your help.

Hello, I am disappointed by your stance on this. We both know there is no such testing, fixing or investigation needed to implement this. You are simply changing the tag container just like it already is in the default template. There are 5 votes for this and you just don't want to do it for some reason. If you don't want to do it then please say so. The Joomla CMS is designed to be this way and you for some reason want to do things your own way. Why? I do not want to use your simple workaround for many reasons. Can you please ask them if they could please remedy this sometime in a future update. I would appreciate your help.
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 31 August 2016

Please don't get me wrong. You are working hard on a good thing and I am only requesting this because it is going to make it better.

Please don't get me wrong. You are working hard on a good thing and I am only requesting this because it is going to make it better.
Pixel
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Pixel posted this 14 September 2016

Please vote for it !

Please vote for it !
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 15 September 2016

Please vote for it !

Did you?

> Please vote for it ! Did you?
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 14 October 2016

It's now been 6 months to the day on this. I will assume that you do not care about standards that are in place for the CMS that you are making templates for.

I am very disappointed that you refuse to correct your mistakes in a timely manner. If the developers are making this an H2 because they disagree with the Joomla CMS developers then that is far worse.

I really hope you take the 5 minutes to correct this. It's just very unprofessional. You will not find another professional template with the Page Title as an H2. Being different is one thing but being wrong is another.

I've been a customer for 6 years and was hoping that you would fix this in Artisteer and not repeat this in Themler.

It's now been 6 months to the day on this. I will assume that you do not care about standards that are in place for the CMS that you are making templates for. I am very disappointed that you refuse to correct your mistakes in a timely manner. If the developers are making this an H2 because they disagree with the Joomla CMS developers then that is far worse. I really hope you take the 5 minutes to correct this. It's just very unprofessional. You will not find another professional template with the Page Title as an H2. Being different is one thing but being wrong is another. I've been a customer for 6 years and was hoping that you would fix this in Artisteer and not repeat this in Themler.
shaulhadar
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shaulhadar posted this 15 October 2016

Hi Themler Team.
Dave is absolutely right!! currently themler gives a default option of a H2 tag to all page titles.
Ofcourse i can use the "page title" control to change this, but this has to be the default on all pages...
currently it adds this unnecessary step to every site we build that needs to have a H1 title because its not built in.

I really think you should need to make only one page title control that can be changes between H1 and H2, like the text control...

This way Themler will work more streamlined and will be better for seo..
Please fix this for one of the future updates..

Thanks for your time :)

Hi Themler Team. Dave is absolutely right!! currently themler gives a default option of a H2 tag to all page titles. Ofcourse i can use the "page title" control to change this, but this has to be the default on all pages... currently it adds this unnecessary step to every site we build that needs to have a H1 title because its not built in. I really think you should need to make only one page title control that can be changes between H1 and H2, like the text control... This way Themler will work more streamlined and will be better for seo.. Please fix this for one of the future updates.. Thanks for your time :)
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 03 November 2016

Here's Joomla's website documentation. So why won't Themler fix this without any votes? They like to do things wrong?

https://docs.joomla.org/Help34:Menus_Menu_Item_Manager_Edit#Page_Display
Show Page Heading: (Yes/No). Show / Hide the Browser Page Title in the heading of the page ( If no optional text entered - will default to value based on the Menu Item Title ). The Page heading is displayed inside the "H1" tag.

Very disappointed in the decision to blow me off and not correct this obvious mistake made on their part.

Here's Joomla's website documentation. So why won't Themler fix this without any votes? They like to do things wrong? https://docs.joomla.org/Help34:Menus_Menu_Item_Manager_Edit#Page_Display Show Page Heading: (Yes/No). Show / Hide the Browser Page Title in the heading of the page ( If no optional text entered - will default to value based on the Menu Item Title ). **The Page heading is displayed inside the "H1" tag**. Very disappointed in the decision to blow me off and not correct this obvious mistake made on their part.
Pixel
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Pixel posted this 03 November 2016

It's my opinion, too, that It is very unfortunate and unprofessional that Themler doesn't fix this bug. And I don't understand, why there are not more votes for this. Are there so few people here with SEO Know-How?
Please Themler fix this!

It's my opinion, too, that It is very unfortunate and unprofessional that Themler doesn't fix this bug. And I don't understand, why there are not more votes for this. Are there so few people here with SEO Know-How? Please Themler fix this!
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 03 November 2016

It's my opinion, too, that It is very unfortunate and unprofessional that Themler doesn't fix this bug. And I don't understand, why there are not more votes for this. Are there so few people here with SEO Know-How?
Please Themler fix this!

Hi Pixel, thanks for your comment. I am willing to bet your assumption is partially correct regrading people using Themler aren't SEO savvy. My real thought is Themler has some reason for not following the Joomla directive on this because Artisteer did the same thing and refused to change it. I can only hope they want to do us a solid and fix it. To me this is one area Joomla is excellent, in their SEO structure. I just need the template to be on their side too.

I am crossing my fingers, and I upped my subscription to the highest version to show support for this product, now I want them show support for the users.

> It's my opinion, too, that It is very unfortunate and unprofessional that Themler doesn't fix this bug. And I don't understand, why there are not more votes for this. Are there so few people here with SEO Know-How? > Please Themler fix this! Hi Pixel, thanks for your comment. I am willing to bet your assumption is partially correct regrading people using Themler aren't SEO savvy. My real thought is Themler has some reason for not following the Joomla directive on this because Artisteer did the same thing and refused to change it. I can only hope they want to do us a solid and fix it. To me this is one area Joomla is excellent, in their SEO structure. I just need the template to be on their side too. I am crossing my fingers, and I upped my subscription to the highest version to show support for this product, now I want them show support for the users.
shaulhadar
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shaulhadar posted this 01 December 2016

I am also waiting for this to be fixed....H1 for page page titles and post titles is a no brainer, and will automatically help all the people that don't know Seo to get better ranking, and thus loving themler even more!!
Plus it's probably some small fix to globally change those tags, something you can do in 5 minutes....
So I really don't understand why there isn't anyone that can understand the important of this....

I am also waiting for this to be fixed....H1 for page page titles and post titles is a no brainer, and will automatically help all the people that don't know Seo to get better ranking, and thus loving themler even more!! Plus it's probably some small fix to globally change those tags, something you can do in 5 minutes.... So I really don't understand why there isn't anyone that can understand the important of this....
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 01 December 2016

I am also waiting for this to be fixed....H1 for page page titles and post titles is a no brainer, and will automatically help all the people that don't know Seo to get better ranking, and thus loving themler even more!!
Plus it's probably some small fix to globally change those tags, something you can do in 5 minutes....
So I really don't understand why there isn't anyone that can understand the important of this....

Thanks for your support. There is no logical reason for this. They refused to change it in Artisteer too.

I'm sure it truly is a 5 minute adjustment on their part.

Very disappointing they are taking this stance.

> I am also waiting for this to be fixed....H1 for page page titles and post titles is a no brainer, and will automatically help all the people that don't know Seo to get better ranking, and thus loving themler even more!! > Plus it's probably some small fix to globally change those tags, something you can do in 5 minutes.... > So I really don't understand why there isn't anyone that can understand the important of this.... Thanks for your support. There is no logical reason for this. They refused to change it in Artisteer too. I'm sure it truly is a 5 minute adjustment on their part. Very disappointing they are taking this stance.
wimkasius
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wimkasius posted this 06 December 2016

Where to vote for this?

Where to vote for this?
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 06 December 2016

Under the first post it says vote. Thanks

Under the first post it says vote. Thanks
maf_angel
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maf_angel posted this 09 December 2016

Voting for this!
In blog template = page headers should be H2,
in post.template it should be H1... sorry my English

Voting for this! In blog template = page headers should be H2, in post.template it should be H1... sorry my English
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 10 December 2016

We should not have to vote to get this fixed.

We should not have to vote to get this fixed.
maf_angel
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maf_angel posted this 10 December 2016

But we vote, and not get this fix.
Weird. Because this is the most important thing in the website. One of the most important. Optimization for search engines.

Manual correction may be as follows: the eyes to find the right piece of code (I had it in blog_2.php) and correct the H2 tag on the right. Sorry for my English

But we vote, and not get this fix. Weird. Because this is the most important thing in the website. One of the most important. Optimization for search engines. Manual correction may be as follows: the eyes to find the right piece of code (I had it in blog_2.php) and correct the H2 tag on the right. Sorry for my English

Last edited 10 December 2016 by maf_angel

Giuma
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Giuma posted this 12 December 2016

i vote

i vote
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 18 December 2016

Hello, it's been 8 months now.

Are you planning on rectifying this?

Thank you

Hello, it's been 8 months now. Are you planning on rectifying this? Thank you
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