SEO in Themler - don't repeat Artisteers major flaw

DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 14 April 2015

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular.

As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export.

  1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the...

  2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2.

Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular. As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export. 1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the... 2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2. Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.
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Support Team
Support Team posted this 26 December 2016

Hi,

Unfortunately we do not have new yet. Please consider using of workaround with CMS Code we provided you in a different topic. This is equivalent of ready control.

Thank you,
themler Team

Hi, Unfortunately we do not have new yet. Please consider using of workaround with CMS Code we provided you in a different topic. This is equivalent of ready control. Thank you, themler Team
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 26 December 2016

Please fix this asap, we should not have to use a work around for this. It's been over 8 months.

Why will you not just take 5 minutes and rectify this issue? I would like a direct answer from the developer on this?

Thanks

Please fix this asap, we should not have to use a work around for this. It's been over 8 months. Why will you not just take 5 minutes and rectify this issue? I would like a direct answer from the developer on this? Thanks
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 28 December 2016

I don't want to use the workaround. It's a poor solution to this.

Are you going to fix this soon?

I don't want to use the workaround. It's a poor solution to this. Are you going to fix this soon?
Support Team
Support Team posted this 29 December 2016

Hello Dave,
I'm sorry but the change you're asking about is not on the nearest time frame. Unfortunately I cannot say when it will be implemented.

Regards,
Aileen

Hello Dave, I'm sorry but the change you're asking about is not on the nearest time frame. Unfortunately I cannot say when it will be implemented. Regards, Aileen
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 29 December 2016

Really it takes years to fix something as simple as this. You are not planning on doing it are you? This is highly disappointing.

  1. You won't fix something that is clearly incorrect.
  2. Stringing us along hoping we just forget about it.

The least you could do is just say the developer wishes to do this the wrong way and won't change it. I have no idea why but this is clearly the case here. You asked for votes, you got them. You say you will fix it. 9 months go by and no fix is done. You act like we are asking for you to add a whole new CMS to the program. You and I both know this would take you team minutes to change.

Unbelievable.

Really it takes years to fix something as simple as this. You are not planning on doing it are you? This is highly disappointing. 1. You won't fix something that is clearly incorrect. 2. Stringing us along hoping we just forget about it. The least you could do is just say the developer wishes to do this the wrong way and won't change it. I have no idea why but this is clearly the case here. You asked for votes, you got them. You say you will fix it. 9 months go by and no fix is done. You act like we are asking for you to add a whole new CMS to the program. You and I both know this would take you team minutes to change. Unbelievable.
Pixel
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Pixel posted this 09 January 2017

Any news? I have great troubles to make professional SEO with Themler.

Any news? I have great troubles to make professional SEO with Themler.
Seppe
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Seppe posted this 09 January 2017

Any news? I have great troubles to make professional SEO with Themler.

I think you need another program to do this.
Themler-programmers have clearly no interests in this part of their software.
Selling the software is the main concern, what happens afterwards is a big questionmark for everyone.
They see the software from a total different perspective than the people who use it to make a living (or even try to)

> Any news? I have great troubles to make professional SEO with Themler. I think you need another program to do this. Themler-programmers have clearly no interests in this part of their software. Selling the software is the main concern, what happens afterwards is a big questionmark for everyone. They see the software from a total different perspective than the people who use it to make a living (or even try to)
Linkebel
161 Posts
Linkebel posted this 10 January 2017

Every day Themler disappoints me more and more

Every day Themler disappoints me more and more
Seppe
223 Posts
Seppe posted this 10 January 2017

Every day Themler disappoints me more and more

Correct!

> Every day Themler disappoints me more and more Correct!
heirogn
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heirogn posted this 02 February 2017

I agree with Dave. This is important for SEO. Page title (h1) should not be the same as browser page title, but the page heading there is an option in Joomla to show on top of the page. Now, with Themler, page heading appears on top of posts with a h2 tag. If you have some sections before the posts, the page heading will also appear far down on the page.

Joomla templates should first of all support the core features and options in Joomla with good design, so Joomla may be used as intended. Every other feature should be secondary.

I agree with Dave. This is important for SEO. Page title (h1) should **not** be the same as browser page title, but the page heading there is an option in Joomla to show on top of the page. Now, with Themler, page heading appears on top of posts with a h2 tag. If you have some sections before the posts, the page heading will also appear far down on the page. Joomla templates should first of all support the core features and options in Joomla with good design, so Joomla may be used as intended. Every other feature should be secondary.
DaveOzric
935 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 02 February 2017

I agree with Dave. This is important for SEO. Page title (h1) should not be the same as browser page title, but the page heading there is an option in Joomla to show on top of the page. Now, with Themler, page heading appears on top of posts with a h2 tag. If you have some sections before the posts, the page heading will also appear far down on the page.

Joomla templates should first of all support the core features and options in Joomla with good design, so Joomla may be used as intended. Every other feature should be secondary.

Please vote, if that will help

> I agree with Dave. This is important for SEO. Page title (h1) should **not** be the same as browser page title, but the page heading there is an option in Joomla to show on top of the page. Now, with Themler, page heading appears on top of posts with a h2 tag. If you have some sections before the posts, the page heading will also appear far down on the page. > > Joomla templates should first of all support the core features and options in Joomla with good design, so Joomla may be used as intended. Every other feature should be secondary. Please vote, if that will help
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 24 February 2017

Hi,

I created a task and assigned it to our developers. Unfortunately I can't say when this issue will be implemented. Currently it has low priority.

In the meantime please use the provided workaround.

Thank you,
Olivia

This was almost 1 year ago.

Please tell me this is one of your updates coming out in the next version.

> Hi, > > I created a task and assigned it to our developers. Unfortunately I can't say when this issue will be implemented. Currently it has low priority. > > In the meantime please use the provided workaround. > > Thank you, > Olivia This was almost 1 year ago. Please tell me this is one of your updates coming out in the next version.
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 24 February 2017

Also, where is the workaround you provided? I do not see it anywhere.

Also, where is the workaround you provided? I do not see it anywhere.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 01 March 2017

Hi,

The workaround is in your second private topic.

Here is again:

  1. add CMS Code control available under Insert Tab >> More.
  2. insert the following code:
    <?php
    $menu = &JSite::getMenu();
    $active = $menu->getActive();
    $menuname = $active->params->get('page_heading');
    if($active->params->get('show_page_heading', 1)==1){
    echo "<h1>".$menuname."</h1>";
    }
    ?>

The appearance of H1 tag in this control you can specify under the following dialog:

enter image description here

Here is result:

joomla-page-heading-workaround.png

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, The workaround is in your second private topic. Here is again: 1. add CMS Code control available under Insert Tab >> More. 2. insert the following code: `<?php $menu = &JSite::getMenu(); $active = $menu->getActive(); $menuname = $active->params->get('page_heading'); if($active->params->get('show_page_heading', 1)==1){ echo "<h1>".$menuname."</h1>"; } ?>` The appearance of H1 tag in this control you can specify under the following dialog: ![enter image description here][1] Here is result: !joomla-page-heading-workaround.png! Thank you, Olivia [1]: http://attachments.answers.billiondigital.com/475/11475/cmscode-typ.png
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 01 March 2017

OK so you are basically saying you will NOT fix this on your end even though it's clearly stated in Joomla's documentation this Page Heading tag is supposed to be an H1 NOT H2?

I need a direct answer to why you are now deciding how the CMS is built. Are you taking over Joomla development?

This is a bug and needs to be fixed. Why won't you fix this????

OK so you are basically saying you will **NOT** fix this on your end even though it's clearly stated in Joomla's documentation this Page Heading tag is supposed to be an H1 NOT H2? I need a direct answer to why you are now deciding how the CMS is built. Are you taking over Joomla development? This is a bug and needs to be fixed. Why won't you fix this????
tomjooonas
1 Posts
tomjooonas posted this 04 April 2017

This should fixed, I have also same problem.

This should fixed, I have also same problem.
DaveOzric
935 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 04 April 2017

I am really hoping they are fixing it this time. I believe they thought I was asking for the post heading to be changed to an H1 which is not correct. This will renew my faith in them as an excellent supported product.

I am really hoping they are fixing it this time. I believe they thought I was asking for the post heading to be changed to an H1 which is not correct. This will renew my faith in them as an excellent supported product.
josh54
1 Posts
josh54 posted this 06 April 2017

Is this fixed yet?

Is this fixed yet?
kheidemann
39 Posts
kheidemann posted this 10 April 2017

I tried to vote but I get no response. Refreshing the page does not show that my vote was tallied either. I hope for their own sake that they do something about this even though I am more waiting for them to update compatibility with the new woocommerce that is currently broken when using Themler generated themes.

I tried to vote but I get no response. Refreshing the page does not show that my vote was tallied either. I hope for their own sake that they do something about this even though I am more waiting for them to update compatibility with the new woocommerce that is currently broken when using Themler generated themes.
DaveOzric
935 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 10 April 2017

I am getting ready to put together a entire presentation on SEO, Joomla's default template, H1 tag and the 5 top Joomla template companies. I hope it will help explain the whole thing crystal clear for some action to be taken.

Every SEO expert on the planet will tell you each page should have a Unique H1 and it's 3rd for on page SEO. Page Title, Content and H1 in that order.

Joomla being the completely awesome thing that it is has this built in but the template is what makes the "Page Title" of your menu settings a H1. Neither Artisteer or Themler wraps it in H1 but instead uses H2 like the blog/article titles. A real headache for someone trying to use the CMS like it was designed. It clearly states in the Joomla template development guide "The Page Heading is to an H1 tag".

The default Protostar, and every professional template I have ever worked with has this correct. Not sure why they want to be wrong/different on this highly important feature. I just believe it's an oversight but maybe not. Either way I will not give up.

I just don't get what possibly could be the issue here on their end. They have fought me tooth and nail on this like I am asking for some off the wall change I came up with. I am merely pointing out the obvious.

I am getting ready to put together a entire presentation on SEO, Joomla's default template, H1 tag and the 5 top Joomla template companies. I hope it will help explain the whole thing crystal clear for some action to be taken. Every SEO expert on the planet will tell you each page should have a Unique H1 and it's 3rd for on page SEO. Page Title, Content and H1 in that order. Joomla being the completely awesome thing that it is has this built in but the template is what makes the "Page Title" of your menu settings a H1. Neither Artisteer or Themler wraps it in H1 but instead uses H2 like the blog/article titles. A real headache for someone trying to use the CMS like it was designed. It clearly states in the Joomla template development guide "The Page Heading is to an H1 tag". The default Protostar, and every professional template I have ever worked with has this correct. Not sure why they want to be wrong/different on this highly important feature. I just believe it's an oversight but maybe not. Either way I will not give up. I just don't get what possibly could be the issue here on their end. They have fought me tooth and nail on this like I am asking for some off the wall change I came up with. I am merely pointing out the obvious.
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