SEO in Themler - don't repeat Artisteers major flaw

DaveOzric
935 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 14 April 2015

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular.

As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export.

  1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the...

  2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2.

Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.

I need to verify you are not going to repeat the HUGE oversite with Artisteer and SEO structure on templates, Joomla in particular. As of now Artisteer outputs a SEO disaster that is not even fixable by editing the template after export. 1. Artisteer = Headline is H1 totally wrong, never have the same H1 tag on all pages and this destroys the opportunity to have a different one since you are NOT supposed to have multiple H1 tags on any page. Can be fixed manually after ever export. Huge pain in the... 2. Page Heading and Article Title are both H2 and cannot be changed even after export because they are the same class. In Joomla each page can have a Page Heading at the menu level customized for the page outside the page title tag. This is built into Joomla to have full control over SEO and is brilliant. Artisteer is killing this amazing opportunity. This should be an H1 tag and the Article Headings should remain the H2. Are these going to be working in Themler? God I hope so. This cannot possibly be overlooked again.
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Support Team
Support Team posted this 12 April 2017

@ josh54 ,
unfortunately the answer is No. However you may try workaround provided in the post above http://answers.themler.com/answers/122090

regards,
Aileen

@ josh54 , unfortunately the answer is No. However you may try workaround provided in the post above http://answers.themler.com/answers/122090 regards, Aileen
Support Team
Support Team posted this 12 April 2017

@kheidemann ,
please try to vote now. It seemed to be temporary issue. Voting is working now.

regards,
Aileen

@kheidemann , please try to vote now. It seemed to be temporary issue. Voting is working now. regards, Aileen
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 12 April 2017

@ josh54 ,
unfortunately the answer is No. However you may try workaround provided in the post above http://answers.themler.com/answers/122090

regards,
Aileen

Oh I forgot to mention the workaround causes a PHP error trying to open the post theme directly.

> @ josh54 , > unfortunately the answer is No. However you may try workaround provided in the post above http://answers.themler.com/answers/122090 > > regards, > Aileen Oh I forgot to mention the workaround causes a PHP error trying to open the post theme directly.
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 12 April 2017

@kheidemann ,
please try to vote now. It seemed to be temporary issue. Voting is working now.

regards,
Aileen

Why are we still asked to vote on this. You are not going to fix this?

> @kheidemann , > please try to vote now. It seemed to be temporary issue. Voting is working now. > > regards, > Aileen Why are we still asked to vote on this. You are not going to fix this?
kheidemann
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kheidemann posted this 12 April 2017

@kheidemann ,
please try to vote now. It seemed to be temporary issue. Voting is working now.

regards,
Aileen

It tallied my vote now, Thank You.

> @kheidemann , > please try to vote now. It seemed to be temporary issue. Voting is working now. > > regards, > Aileen It tallied my vote now, Thank You.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 14 April 2017

Hello Dave,
as I understand you get error in Themler on the Post template, right?
Please post here the error text or screenshot.

regards,
Aileen

Hello Dave, as I understand you get error in Themler on the Post template, right? Please post here the error text or screenshot. regards, Aileen
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 29 April 2017

Not sure why you can't just fix this since the error is not present when the CMS code is removed.

Not sure why you can't just fix this since the error is not present when the CMS code is removed.
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 30 April 2017

I am putting together a Joomla site with 4 templates as examples.

  1. Themler Page Heading is H2 Blog Title is H2 Incorrect
  2. Protostar Page Heading is H1 Blog Title is H2 Correct
  3. Beez Page Heading is H1Blog Title is H2 Correct
  4. Gantry Page Heading is H1Blog Title is H2 Correct
  5. DJ Monster Page Heading is H1Blog Title is H2 Correct

The 2 Joomla default themes, Protostar and Beez, should be enough to convince any developer since if Joomla itself is doing it this way then that's probably the correct way. However to demonstrate that it's pretty much industry wide I installed Gantry and DJ Monster themes which are the most used 3rd party themes.

I will provide a full report once I get this site done and start to put together code examples, etc.

Themler Please fix this asap. SEO minded web companies that use your product would like to use Joomla's core features without your hack that causes errors. There should not be a "workaround" for a core feature that is in the CMS. This is just a oversight and we all want this fixed so we can move on.

Thank you

I am putting together a Joomla site with 4 templates as examples. 1. **Themler Page Heading is H2 Blog Title is H2 Incorrect** 2. Protostar Page Heading is H1 Blog Title is H2 **Correct** 3. Beez Page Heading is H1Blog Title is H2 **Correct** 4. Gantry Page Heading is H1Blog Title is H2 **Correct** 5. DJ Monster Page Heading is H1Blog Title is H2 **Correct** The 2 Joomla default themes, Protostar and Beez, should be enough to convince any developer since if Joomla itself is doing it this way then that's probably the correct way. However to demonstrate that it's pretty much industry wide I installed Gantry and DJ Monster themes which are the most used 3rd party themes. I will provide a full report once I get this site done and start to put together code examples, etc. Themler Please fix this asap. SEO minded web companies that use your product would like to use Joomla's core features without your hack that causes errors. There should not be a "workaround" for a core feature that is in the CMS. This is just a oversight and we all want this fixed so we can move on. Thank you
wimkasius
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wimkasius posted this 10 May 2017

So why arent they fixin this issues?

So why arent they fixin this issues?
jguy
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jguy posted this 10 May 2017

Back in the early days of Artisteer this was excusable but not once Google took over the Web and SEO became so important. Joomla itself eventually got around to addressing the whole SEO thing and provided wonderful solutions to many of the issues to satisfy Google. However for some reason the Artisteer/Themler people just don't get it

Such a shame. So close but yet so far. This one thing makes the whole tool untenable

The fact is we have been begging for this to be fixed for 10+ yrs and was an issue already well known when the first steps were taken to create Themler

Its 2 yrs since the original poster started this request, so I suppose we just have to accept that it is never going to be fixed

Time to move on to another tool

Tragic

Back in the early days of Artisteer this was excusable but not once Google took over the Web and SEO became so important. Joomla itself eventually got around to addressing the whole SEO thing and provided wonderful solutions to many of the issues to satisfy Google. However for some reason the Artisteer/Themler people just don't get it Such a shame. So close but yet so far. This one thing makes the whole tool untenable The fact is we have been begging for this to be fixed for 10+ yrs and was an issue already well known when the first steps were taken to create Themler Its 2 yrs since the original poster started this request, so I suppose we just have to accept that it is never going to be fixed Time to move on to another tool Tragic
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 10 May 2017

Well let's see now that there is a clear example. I also have a private ticket open that has the test site open to them with full admin access so they can look at it.

If they truly want to be our partner then they need to start keeping up with SEO trends. Very important! Also bug fix updates much much more often.

Well let's see now that there is a clear example. I also have a private ticket open that has the test site open to them with full admin access so they can look at it. If they truly want to be our partner then they need to start keeping up with SEO trends. Very important! Also bug fix updates much much more often.
jguy
8 Posts
jguy posted this 10 May 2017

Back in the early days of Artisteer this was excusable but not once Google took over the Web and SEO became so important. Joomla itself eventually got around to addressing the whole SEO thing and provided wonderful solutions to many of the issues to satisfy Google. However for some reason the Artisteer/Themler people just don't get it

Such a shame. So close but yet so far. This one thing makes the whole tool untenable

The fact is we have been begging for this to be fixed for 10+ yrs and was an issue already well known when the first steps were taken to create Themler

Back in the early days of Artisteer this was excusable but not once Google took over the Web and SEO became so important. Joomla itself eventually got around to addressing the whole SEO thing and provided wonderful solutions to many of the issues to satisfy Google. However for some reason the Artisteer/Themler people just don't get it Such a shame. So close but yet so far. This one thing makes the whole tool untenable The fact is we have been begging for this to be fixed for 10+ yrs and was an issue already well known when the first steps were taken to create Themler
jguy
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jguy posted this 11 May 2017

Sorry about the double/partial post

Must be a WordPress problem!

Sorry about the double/partial post Must be a WordPress problem!
jguy
8 Posts
jguy posted this 11 May 2017

DaveOzric I hope along with you

Actually, now that I have mentioned WP, isn't that really the problem. Joomla is no longer a 1st class citizen in the Artisteer/wordPress world. Back in the beginning I always thought that Artisteer was initially made for Joomla (I may be wrong on that) but over time moved to catering more for the WP way of doing things i.e. post based where as Joomla's page is intrinsically tied to the menu navigation concept, and it is this that they haven't understood

To be fair many don't get it, especially when coming from some other CMS's. With Joomla's new router hopefully coming before the end of the year we could be in a position where everything SEO/friendly is humming along and it would be more than nice for Themler to have followed suit

The thing is, if we can't get this basic "Semantic" thing right how are we going to have a way to properly implement HTML5 "Sections" with multiple "H1's" per section

We need Themler's Joomla option to produce templates that map correctly to Joomla's page structure without using these cludgy work-a-rounds, otherwise why use a template generator

Please Mr. Themler can you give us an answer here

DaveOzric I hope along with you Actually, now that I have mentioned WP, isn't that really the problem. Joomla is no longer a 1st class citizen in the Artisteer/wordPress world. Back in the beginning I always thought that Artisteer was initially made for Joomla (I may be wrong on that) but over time moved to catering more for the WP way of doing things i.e. post based where as Joomla's page is intrinsically tied to the menu navigation concept, and it is this that they haven't understood To be fair many don't get it, especially when coming from some other CMS's. With Joomla's new router hopefully coming before the end of the year we could be in a position where everything SEO/friendly is humming along and it would be more than nice for Themler to have followed suit The thing is, if we can't get this basic "Semantic" thing right how are we going to have a way to properly implement HTML5 "Sections" with multiple "H1's" per section We need Themler's Joomla option to produce templates that map correctly to Joomla's page structure without using these cludgy work-a-rounds, otherwise why use a template generator Please Mr. Themler can you give us an answer here
DaveOzric
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DaveOzric posted this 11 May 2017

I would be nice to get an answer. I got nothing in my private support ticket either. Awfully quite around here lately. Are they still around?

I would be nice to get an answer. I got nothing in my private support ticket either. Awfully quite around here lately. Are they still around?
jguy
8 Posts
jguy posted this 12 May 2017

Its the same silence we got with Artisteer and I've got that old sinking feeling

I remember reading the news letter in July 29, 2015 that came with an apology and it convinced me to buy into the Themler thing

Quote:
It's been a while since we had significant news to announce and we apologize for the long delay. We actually didn't anticipate it could take this long and we owe you an explanation, while wanting to make it up to you as well.

I don't want to be disappointed again, because this is an amazing product but this bug needs to be fixed now. We don't want to wait another 2 years or forever

Its the same silence we got with Artisteer and I've got that old sinking feeling I remember reading the news letter in July 29, 2015 that came with an apology and it convinced me to buy into the Themler thing **Quote:** *It's been a while since we had significant news to announce and we apologize for the long delay. We actually didn't anticipate it could take this long and we owe you an explanation, while wanting to make it up to you as well.* I don't want to be disappointed again, because this is an amazing product but this bug needs to be fixed now. We don't want to wait another 2 years or forever
DaveOzric
935 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 15 June 2017

Themler, are you going to address this? We are being stonewalled here. Can we get some response please.

Themler, are you going to address this? We are being stonewalled here. Can we get some response please.
jguy
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jguy posted this 26 June 2017

Hi DaveOzric

Did you ever do those Joomla sites with 4 templates examples

Hi DaveOzric Did you ever do those Joomla sites with 4 templates examples
DaveOzric
935 Posts
DaveOzric posted this 26 June 2017

Hi DaveOzric

Did you ever do those Joomla sites with 4 templates examples

Yes, I did and gave the Themler support the site in my private ticket. All crickets over there though too.

Here is the site.

http://aspiralmind.com

2 Default Joomla themes and 2 big players in the 3rd party arena. I doubt you will find any other template that is not using the H1 for the Page Heading since the documentation is pretty clear about wrapping the Page Heading in an H1 tag. The whole entire point of this feature in Joomla is to have the single H1 tag on a page be unique and placed on top. It's brilliant actually, but not with Themler. Why can't they just fix this. Over 2 YEARS they claim it's so hard to do. They simply do not wish to work with us on this.

> Hi DaveOzric > > Did you ever do those Joomla sites with 4 templates examples Yes, I did and gave the Themler support the site in my private ticket. All crickets over there though too. Here is the site. http://aspiralmind.com 2 Default Joomla themes and 2 big players in the 3rd party arena. I doubt you will find any other template that is not using the H1 for the Page Heading since the documentation is pretty clear about wrapping the Page Heading in an H1 tag. The whole entire point of this feature in Joomla is to have the single H1 tag on a page be unique and placed on top. It's brilliant actually, but not with Themler. Why can't they just fix this. Over 2 YEARS they claim it's so hard to do. They simply do not wish to work with us on this.
Eric-P
38 Posts
Eric-P posted this 26 June 2017

Hello Dave, I allowed myself to visit your site, I thought Themler team had fixed this error, it is the dark side and critical against Google who rejects the non-compliant sites, we miss the H1.

Hello Dave, I allowed myself to visit your site, I thought Themler team had fixed this error, it is the dark side and critical against Google who rejects the non-compliant sites, we miss the H1.
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