How do you edit a Wordpress Theme without using Themler?

tboulley
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tboulley posted this 05 June 2015

I created a WP Theme using Themler and downloaded the zip file. I chose to not include the Themler Editing feature.

But there doesn't seem to be anyway of editing the theme after installation without using Themler feature?

I am at a complete loss here.

Thanks!

I created a WP Theme using Themler and downloaded the zip file. I chose to not include the Themler Editing feature. But there doesn't seem to be anyway of editing the theme after installation without using Themler feature? I am at a complete loss here. Thanks!
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Support Team
Support Team posted this 05 June 2015

Hi,

I suppose that you've created WP theme using Themler cloud version, right?

Then, you can download it, install on your WP dashboard and customize it using Themler under BillionThemler tab.

Does it makes sense for you?

Thanks,
Ivan

Hi, I suppose that you've created WP theme using Themler cloud version, right? Then, you can download it, install on your WP dashboard and customize it using Themler under BillionThemler tab. Does it makes sense for you? Thanks, Ivan
tboulley
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tboulley posted this 05 June 2015

Hi Ivan,

yes, I am aware of that, but what if someone was creating themes for resale, and they did not want the Themler tab in the WP dashboard, how would they edit the theme content such as the header?

To use the Themler Tab does the end user not require a Themler membership to edit their theme?

Thanks Ivan,
Tim

Hi Ivan, yes, I am aware of that, but what if someone was creating themes for resale, and they did not want the Themler tab in the WP dashboard, how would they edit the theme content such as the header? To use the Themler Tab does the end user not require a Themler membership to edit their theme? Thanks Ivan, Tim

Last edited 05 June 2015 by tboulley

tboulley
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tboulley posted this 05 June 2015

Hi Ivan,

okay, I see now that someone can actually edit their WP theme using Themler without needing an account. Awesome!

However, if I did want to remove the Themler link for branding reasons, how can one edit their content easily without using Themler?

Thanks,
Tim

Hi Ivan, okay, I see now that someone can actually edit their WP theme using Themler without needing an account. Awesome! However, if I did want to remove the Themler link for branding reasons, how can one edit their content easily without using Themler? Thanks, Tim
Stagger Lee
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Stagger Lee posted this 05 June 2015

I dont think you can. Try to open this link in a browser where login cookies for Billion expired and see.

All your questiosn are answered on forum, use search.

I dont think you can. Try to open this link in a browser where login cookies for Billion expired and see. All your questiosn are answered on forum, use search.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 05 June 2015

Hello

how would they edit the theme content such as the header?
how can one edit their content easily without using Themler?

What exactly content you want to edit without Themler?

Currently you can edit the following parts of the theme(of the website):

  • Post/Page content.
  • add widgets to the Widget areas you created using Widget Area control in Themler
  • content of the Headline. Slogan. Logo controls.

For example, instead of adding Text Group or Text controls you can add Widget Area and then add text widget to this widget area in WP. In this case the customer will be able to edit this content in WordPress.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hello > how would they edit the theme content such as the header? > how can one edit their content easily without using Themler? What exactly content you want to edit without Themler? Currently you can edit the following parts of the theme(of the website): - Post/Page content. - add widgets to the Widget areas you created using Widget Area control in Themler - content of the Headline. Slogan. Logo controls. For example, instead of adding *Text Group* or *Text* controls you can add Widget Area and then add text widget to this widget area in WP. In this case the customer will be able to edit this content in WordPress. Please let us know if you have any further questions. Thank you, Olivia
tboulley
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tboulley posted this 05 June 2015

I can see how this software is awesome for creating your own personal WP Themes, but it looks like it would be impossible to use it to create WP themes for resale, unless the end buyer has a Themler account to edit their new theme, kind of useless wouldn't you say?

The attached screenshot shows the theme I download via Themler and installed on my WP site, which displays no widgets to edit the header area. Should there not be widgets automatically created to edit these areas?

Thanks,
Tim

I can see how this software is awesome for creating your own personal WP Themes, but it looks like it would be impossible to use it to create WP themes for resale, unless the end buyer has a Themler account to edit their new theme, kind of useless wouldn't you say? The attached screenshot shows the theme I download via Themler and installed on my WP site, which displays no widgets to edit the header area. Should there not be widgets automatically created to edit these areas? Thanks, Tim
tboulley
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tboulley posted this 05 June 2015

I see how you can edit the content by going to Pages > Home, except for being able to edit the large Header image as shown in the attached image.

That is the only thing I can't seem to find out how to edit.

Thanks!

I see how you can edit the content by going to Pages > Home, except for being able to edit the large Header image as shown in the attached image. That is the only thing I can't seem to find out how to edit. Thanks!
tboulley
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tboulley posted this 05 June 2015

Okay, it is the slider that I am looking to find out how to edit within the WP dashboard without user Themler?

Thanks!
Tim

Okay, it is the slider that I am looking to find out how to edit within the WP dashboard without user Themler? Thanks! Tim
tboulley
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tboulley posted this 05 June 2015

I found this previous post (http://answers.themler.com/questions/5282/theme-options) explaining how Slides can only be edited via Themler, which answers my question.

This is a huge limitation that really makes the selling of any WP themes impossible, as at some point the buyer may want to edit the slider content, and they won't be able to do so.

I know that I would not purchase a theme that I cannot fully customize.

I already have Artisteer which I have been using for years now, so I will continue to use it instead. How can I go about requesting for a refund for my Themler purchase?

Thanks!
Tim

I found this previous post (http://answers.themler.com/questions/5282/theme-options) explaining how Slides can only be edited via Themler, which answers my question. This is a huge limitation that really makes the selling of any WP themes impossible, as at some point the buyer may want to edit the slider content, and they won't be able to do so. I know that I would not purchase a theme that I cannot fully customize. I already have Artisteer which I have been using for years now, so I will continue to use it instead. How can I go about requesting for a refund for my Themler purchase? Thanks! Tim
Support Team
Support Team posted this 08 June 2015

Hello Tim,

Themler could be used to create themes for your personal use and for sale. It allows you to create site design and the end user adds all necessary content to it.

But exactly this theme is more for personal use because it's static.
It's created using static html control in Themler (Text, Text Group, Image, etc.)

If you want to make this theme editable in WP I suggest that you use Widget Area controls and shortcodes.
Themler allows you to add as many widget areas as you want. The end user insert can widgets he needs into these widget areas via WP admin back end.
Also Themler's theme includes a number of theme options which could be edited in WP admin back end under Appearance >> Themes Options.

Please refer to this articles and you'll see that theme could be quite flexible:

http://answers.themler.com/articles/4950/wordpress-widget-area

Shortcodes:
http://answers.themler.com/categories/3908/

Slider shortcode:
http://answers.themler.com/articles/3938/slider-shortcode

TextGroup shortcode:
http://answers.themler.com/articles/3683/textgroup-shortcode

And a few more useful articles:
http://answers.themler.com/articles/9037/sidebars

http://answers.themler.com/articles/4466/header

http://answers.themler.com/articles/4463/footer

In this theme Slider has 4 Text controls and one button.

Example #1
You can replace them with one widget area control which contains desired content. For example, the following shortcodes:
<pre>
[text_group header="DRIVEN BY CREATIVITY" header_css="font-size: 49px; color: #c0223c; font-family: Oswald, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;" css="color: #ffffff;"]
Magna aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim minim veniam,quis nostrud exerci tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequal.<br> [button]Button[/button] [/text_group]
</pre>

In the same way you can change the image too.

Example #2

You can manage the general appearance (style and typography) of widgets added to the specific Widget Area.
Each Widget Area can have it's own style for Widgets. For this you should add Widget Area control in Themler >> Apply changes >> add widget to the corresponding widget area in WP >> back to Themler and refresh content.
Let's take our Slider and text again.
This could a WP Text widget with "DRIVEN BY CREATIVITY" title and content: text and button shortcode:

text-widget.png

Then you can config the appearance of this Block in the way you want:

block.png

I suggest that you check other Themler themes, like this one:
http://templates.themler.com/Themes/Detail/1868236/Divoworld

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Regards,
Aileen

Hello Tim, Themler could be used to create themes for your personal use and for sale. It allows you to create site design and the end user adds all necessary content to it. But exactly this theme is more for personal use because it's static. It's created using static html control in Themler (Text, Text Group, Image, etc.) If you want to make this theme editable in WP I suggest that you use Widget Area controls and shortcodes. Themler allows you to add as many widget areas as you want. The end user insert can widgets he needs into these widget areas via WP admin back end. Also Themler's theme includes a number of theme options which could be edited in WP admin back end under Appearance >> Themes Options. Please refer to this articles and you'll see that theme could be quite flexible: http://answers.themler.com/articles/4950/wordpress-widget-area Shortcodes: http://answers.themler.com/categories/3908/ Slider shortcode: http://answers.themler.com/articles/3938/slider-shortcode TextGroup shortcode: http://answers.themler.com/articles/3683/textgroup-shortcode And a few more useful articles: http://answers.themler.com/articles/9037/sidebars http://answers.themler.com/articles/4466/header http://answers.themler.com/articles/4463/footer In this theme Slider has 4 Text controls and one button. **Example #1** You can replace them with one widget area control which contains desired content. For example, the following shortcodes: &lt;pre&gt; [text_group header=&quot;DRIVEN BY CREATIVITY&quot; header_css=&quot;font-size: 49px; color: #c0223c; font-family: Oswald, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;&quot; css=&quot;color: #ffffff;&quot;] Magna aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim minim veniam,quis nostrud exerci tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequal.&lt;br&gt; [button]Button[/button] [/text_group] &lt;/pre&gt; In the same way you can change the image too. **Example #2** You can manage the general appearance (style and typography) of widgets added to the specific Widget Area. Each Widget Area can have it's own style for Widgets. For this you should add Widget Area control in Themler >> Apply changes >> add widget to the corresponding widget area in WP >> back to Themler and refresh content. Let's take our Slider and text again. This could a WP Text widget with "DRIVEN BY CREATIVITY" title and content: text and button shortcode: !text-widget.png! Then you can config the appearance of this Block in the way you want: !block.png! I suggest that you check other Themler themes, like this one: http://templates.themler.com/Themes/Detail/1868236/Divoworld Please let us know if you have any other questions. Regards, Aileen

Last edited 08 June 2015 by Support Team

abed.hashim
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abed.hashim posted this 17 August 2015

Hi,
I think the best solution that Themler team has is, making the attached Themler (with exported theme) has an editing capabilities only and cannot use to create new theme, so the user can customize his theme without need to buy licence as the case with child theme in some frameworks or improve the poor current theme options to cover all editing needs.

Hi, I think the best solution that Themler team has is, making the attached Themler (with exported theme) has an editing capabilities only and cannot use to create new theme, so the user can customize his theme without need to buy licence as the case with child theme in some frameworks or improve the poor current theme options to cover all editing needs.

Last edited 17 August 2015 by abed.hashim

Support Team
Support Team posted this 19 August 2015

Hello Abed,
now you may edit a theme in Themler even if you do not have a subscription but theme cannot be saved. This is trial restriction.
If you mean editing and saving theme in Themler by end user (for example single theme was created for a certain user only), then it's not possible without registering. However number of theme settings could be changed in CMS in Theme options. Please let us know what options are critical for you and we'll consider extending the theme options range.

regards,
Aileen

Hello Abed, now you may edit a theme in Themler even if you do not have a subscription but theme cannot be saved. This is trial restriction. If you mean editing and saving theme in Themler by end user (for example single theme was created for a certain user only), then it's not possible without registering. However number of theme settings could be changed in CMS in Theme options. Please let us know what options are critical for you and we'll consider extending the theme options range. regards, Aileen
pattygalelive
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pattygalelive posted this 31 August 2015

If I understand correctly, as a Wordpress theme developer, if I use Themler to create themes I want to resell to clients, is it correct that they will not be able to use the theme at all without Themler? I've been creating WP themes for nearly 10 years and have been working with Themler the last few days. I can tell you that the end-user, 'off the street' business or client will not be able to figure out Themler. I've been using Artisteer for several years and have spent all morning just trying to figure out how to create consistent fonts, styling, etc. Many are not tech-savvy and have a hard enough time using Wordpress as it is. In all my days, I have yet to have a client come to me and say they want to change colors, layout, etc. Most of them just want a great looking website for their business that they can also blog with or sell products.

If I understand correctly, as a Wordpress theme developer, if I use Themler to create themes I want to resell to clients, is it correct that they will not be able to use the theme at all without Themler? I've been creating WP themes for nearly 10 years and have been working with Themler the last few days. I can tell you that the end-user, 'off the street' business or client will not be able to figure out Themler. I've been using Artisteer for several years and have spent all morning just trying to figure out how to create consistent fonts, styling, etc. Many are not tech-savvy and have a hard enough time using Wordpress as it is. In all my days, I have yet to have a client come to me and say they want to change colors, layout, etc. Most of them just want a great looking website for their business that they can also blog with or sell products.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 01 September 2015

Hi,

If you want to resell themes, please note that they should not contain any BillionPhotos media that you can add using the clipart option in Themler. Also they should not be the themes that were downloaded from the BillionThemes resource, so if you create the theme in Themler from the default one, you can resell it to your customers with no restrictions.
The editing option won't be available for the final customer as they do not have Themler subscription and won't be able to save. Also when exporting the template you can choose to not include the Themler editing option in the template so the final user won't even see the BillionThemler tab in the back end.
If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Sincerely,
Hella
BillionDigital Team

Hi, If you want to resell themes, please note that they should not contain any BillionPhotos media that you can add using the clipart option in Themler. Also they should not be the themes that were downloaded from the BillionThemes resource, so if you create the theme in Themler from the default one, you can resell it to your customers with no restrictions. The editing option won't be available for the final customer as they do not have Themler subscription and won't be able to save. Also when exporting the template you can choose to not include the Themler editing option in the template so the final user won't even see the BillionThemler tab in the back end. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Sincerely, Hella BillionDigital Team
pattygalelive
13 Posts
pattygalelive posted this 02 September 2015

Hi,

If you want to resell themes, please note that they should not contain any BillionPhotos media that you can add using the clipart option in Themler. Also they should not be the themes that were downloaded from the BillionThemes resource, so if you create the theme in Themler from the default one, you can resell it to your customers with no restrictions.
The editing option won't be available for the final customer as they do not have Themler subscription and won't be able to save. Also when exporting the template you can choose to not include the Themler editing option in the template so the final user won't even see the BillionThemler tab in the back end.
If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

Sincerely,
Hella
BillionDigital Team

Thanks so much for clarifying, Hella!

> Hi, > > If you want to resell themes, please note that they should not contain any BillionPhotos media that you can add using the clipart option in Themler. Also they should not be the themes that were downloaded from the BillionThemes resource, so if you create the theme in Themler from the default one, you can resell it to your customers with no restrictions. > The editing option won't be available for the final customer as they do not have Themler subscription and won't be able to save. Also when exporting the template you can choose to not include the Themler editing option in the template so the final user won't even see the BillionThemler tab in the back end. > If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. > > Sincerely, > Hella > BillionDigital Team Thanks so much for clarifying, Hella!
jurjen
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jurjen posted this 02 September 2015

Hi Billion Team,

A customer hires me to make a website. I use Themler to create it. Do I read it right, I am not allowed to use BillionPhoto's al though I have a license to use these?

Am I only allowed to use those for personal websites of my own, and not for their site?

Regards
Jurjen

Hi Billion Team, A customer hires me to make a website. I use Themler to create it. Do I read it right, I am not allowed to use BillionPhoto's al though I have a license to use these? Am I only allowed to use those for personal websites of my own, and not for their site? Regards Jurjen
adamjedgar
1 Posts
adamjedgar posted this 02 September 2015

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT....

i purchase themler, but
1. i cant use my own billion media subsciption which i paid for to add images to a saleable wordpress theme?
2. My end users who own the wordpress websites who i build themes for cannot edit their theme in wordpress without a themler subsciption of their own? (since themler is about building themes for websites...and i hardly imagine anyone would buy a theme building program to use once or twice on their own websites only...it would be cheaper to purchase a premium theme such as Avada which is fully editable)
3. It appears to be rather difficult to learn how to use and some people are reverting back to Artisteer instead.

What exactly is the purpose of the bloody program other than to take money for something that doesnt properly achieve the needs of those who buy it (ie wordpress developers)

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.... i purchase themler, but 1. i cant use my own billion media subsciption which i paid for to add images to a saleable wordpress theme? 2. My end users who own the wordpress websites who i build themes for cannot edit their theme in wordpress without a themler subsciption of their own? (since themler is about building themes for websites...and i hardly imagine anyone would buy a theme building program to use once or twice on their own websites only...it would be cheaper to purchase a premium theme such as Avada which is fully editable) 3. It appears to be rather difficult to learn how to use and some people are reverting back to Artisteer instead. What exactly is the purpose of the bloody program other than to take money for something that doesnt properly achieve the needs of those who buy it (ie wordpress developers)
Support Team
Support Team posted this 03 September 2015

Hi,

A customer hires me to make a website. I use Themler to create it. Do I read it right, I am not allowed to use BillionPhoto's al though I have a license to use these?
Am I only allowed to use those for personal websites of my own, and not for their site?

No, you can use BillionPhotos media in the template you create and sell to the individual customer. You can not resell that template to the number of customers and can not resell it on some reselling platforms.

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT....
i purchase themler, but
1. i cant use my own billion media subsciption which i paid for to add images to a saleable wordpress theme?
2. My end users who own the wordpress websites who i build themes for cannot edit their theme in wordpress without a themler subsciption of their own? (since themler is about building themes for websites...and i hardly imagine anyone would buy a theme building program to use once or twice on their own websites only...it would be cheaper to purchase a premium theme such as Avada which is fully editable)
3. It appears to be rather difficult to learn how to use and some people are reverting back to Artisteer instead.

  1. Once again, you can not use those images in the templates for resale. You can use the images in the template that you do sell to the individual customer. Also, when talking about the reselling of the template, you can use the BillionPhotos media in those templates as the preview. They should be removed from the downloadable template or included with the watermark.
  2. The template is not considerable to be editable for the final customer, but we can consider the option to add some simple color editor that can be accessible from the Theme Options in WP for example.
  3. Please do not hesitate to contact us in case of any difficulties with the application. We will be glad to show you all the possibilities of the Themler that are much more greater than the Artisteer can do.

Sincerely,
Hella
BillionDigital Team

Hi, >A customer hires me to make a website. I use Themler to create it. Do I read it right, I am not allowed to use BillionPhoto's al though I have a license to use these? Am I only allowed to use those for personal websites of my own, and not for their site? No, you can use BillionPhotos media in the template you create and sell to the individual customer. You can not resell that template to the number of customers and can not resell it on some reselling platforms. >SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.... i purchase themler, but 1. i cant use my own billion media subsciption which i paid for to add images to a saleable wordpress theme? 2. My end users who own the wordpress websites who i build themes for cannot edit their theme in wordpress without a themler subsciption of their own? (since themler is about building themes for websites...and i hardly imagine anyone would buy a theme building program to use once or twice on their own websites only...it would be cheaper to purchase a premium theme such as Avada which is fully editable) 3. It appears to be rather difficult to learn how to use and some people are reverting back to Artisteer instead. 1. Once again, you can not use those images in the templates for resale. You can use the images in the template that you do sell to the individual customer. Also, when talking about the reselling of the template, you can use the BillionPhotos media in those templates as the preview. They should be removed from the downloadable template or included with the watermark. 2. The template is not considerable to be editable for the final customer, but we can consider the option to add some simple color editor that can be accessible from the Theme Options in WP for example. 3. Please do not hesitate to contact us in case of any difficulties with the application. We will be glad to show you all the possibilities of the Themler that are much more greater than the Artisteer can do. Sincerely, Hella BillionDigital Team
WebShop
5 Posts
WebShop posted this 18 September 2015

Hi All,

In my opinion, the Themler generated themes definitely need more control options in the Theme Options.

A good start would be to ensure that all Artisteer Theme editing options are found in Themler themes without having to use Themler.

My 2 cents worth,
Don

Hi All, In my opinion, the Themler generated themes definitely need more control options in the Theme Options. A good start would be to ensure that all Artisteer Theme editing options are found in Themler themes without having to use Themler. My 2 cents worth, Don
Support Team
Support Team posted this 18 September 2015

Hi,

The Appearance >> Theme Options section is the same in Themler as it is in Artisteer.
We'll consider your suggestions about giving more possibilities i the Theme Options for the Themler templates in WP.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi, The *Appearance >> Theme Options* section is the same in Themler as it is in Artisteer. We'll consider your suggestions about giving more possibilities i the Theme Options for the Themler templates in WP. Sincerely, Hella
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