Made Joomla 4 Readyness - who would pay for it?

matrix630307
140 Posts
matrix630307 posted this 25 November 2021

Hi all
For a long time, Themler was "only entertained" and no longer expanded.
But Themler is still very popular with many users (including me). The online editing on the template is just very good.
Now Themler is getting on in years and Joomla has also taken a step with version 4.
At the moment Themler is only available in a buggy beta.
Attempts have also been made with advertising to bring Themler users to Nicepage.
From my point of view, Themler and Nicepage cannot be compared or respectively. pursue a different goal (Themler mostly for template creation and Nicepage for page creation).
There have already been a few posts where it was offered to pay something for the further development (I'm talking about J4 readiness and other updates such as Bootstrap etc.).
Who would be willing to "shell out" something here?

Hi all For a long time, Themler was "only entertained" and no longer expanded. But Themler is still very popular with many users (including me). The online editing on the template is just very good. Now Themler is getting on in years and Joomla has also taken a step with version 4. At the moment Themler is only available in a buggy beta. Attempts have also been made with advertising to bring Themler users to Nicepage. From my point of view, Themler and Nicepage cannot be compared or respectively. pursue a different goal (Themler mostly for template creation and Nicepage for page creation). There have already been a few posts where it was offered to pay something for the further development (I'm talking about J4 readiness and other updates such as Bootstrap etc.). Who would be willing to "shell out" something here?
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Vitaliy WD
463 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 25 November 2021

I collected few answers from Themler team. Here is summary:

  1. Themler will not have major updates - no new features
  2. Themler will not have framework update - no new Bootstrap 5
  3. Themler will not have themes update feature from Joomla 3 to Joomla 4
  4. Themler will not have Prestashop 1.7.8 update - no new CMS version support
  5. Themler will not have clear Roadmap - all bugs can exist many years

Currently Themler looks like no future. There is no way to start new projects with such old tech.

Nicepage is completely different software from one side, and it can be abandoned in same way as Themler from other side. All this words that "we don't plan to stop development, we have lot of plans" we heard about Themler...

I collected few answers from Themler team. Here is summary: 1. Themler will not have major updates - no new features 2. Themler will not have framework update - no new Bootstrap 5 3. Themler will not have themes update feature from Joomla 3 to Joomla 4 4. Themler will not have Prestashop 1.7.8 update - no new CMS version support 5. Themler will not have clear Roadmap - all bugs can exist many years Currently Themler looks like no future. There is no way to start new projects with such old tech. Nicepage is completely different software from one side, and it can be abandoned in same way as Themler from other side. All this words that "we don't plan to stop development, we have lot of plans" we heard about Themler...
matrix630307
140 Posts
matrix630307 posted this 25 November 2021

Hope dies last ...

Hope dies last ...
pdg.design
235 Posts
pdg.design posted this 25 November 2021

matrix630307
I too

**matrix630307** I too
Виктор
97 Posts
Виктор posted this 26 November 2021

Поддерживаю!

Поддерживаю!
themler44
18 Posts
themler44 posted this 26 November 2021

.... wenn es was bringt, bin ich auch dabei

.... wenn es was bringt, bin ich auch dabei
Vitaliy WD
463 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 26 November 2021

I can understand that all CMS support can be quite difficult. But we need fresh framework, code and actual SEO practices to load websites fast.

So as compromise maybe Themler 2.0 can be with Bootstrap 5 and support only two CMS: Joomla 4 and WordPress 5. Without Page Building features (green areas), only Template building features. For page building it's possible to use Nicepage or other third party solutions.

Template building features only, Bootstrap 5, PHP 8, Two CMS support and One price plan (even 200 USD will be ok) - is it too hard for Themler developers?

You can get user trust back or loose them forever. The choice is yours. What do you think, Themler team?

I can understand that all CMS support can be quite difficult. But we need fresh framework, code and actual SEO practices to load websites fast. So as compromise maybe Themler 2.0 can be with Bootstrap 5 and support only two CMS: Joomla 4 and WordPress 5. Without Page Building features (green areas), only Template building features. For page building it's possible to use Nicepage or other third party solutions. Template building features only, Bootstrap 5, PHP 8, Two CMS support and One price plan (even 200 USD will be ok) - is it too hard for Themler developers? You can get user trust back or loose them forever. The choice is yours. What do you think, Themler team?
Web-Art
57 Posts
Web-Art posted this 26 November 2021

No one from Team Themler has officially written that Themler will not be developed, that would amount to a loss of subscription. In my opinion, since they charge for subscriptions, they should update Themler.

We are prolonging the subscription because we hope that the Themler team will finally do something and adapt Themler to our expectations ... But still silence. Themler team did not reply to a single query of mine, which is very disrespectful of them.

I do not think that we should pay extra for Themler's development, since we are paying anyway and the update is not there, there is no

No one from Team Themler has officially written that Themler will not be developed, that would amount to a loss of subscription. In my opinion, since they charge for subscriptions, they should update Themler. We are prolonging the subscription because we hope that the Themler team will finally do something and adapt Themler to our expectations ... But still silence. Themler team did not reply to a single query of mine, which is very disrespectful of them. I do not think that we should pay extra for Themler's development, since we are paying anyway and the update is not there, there is no
Vitaliy WD
463 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 27 November 2021

For me there is no reason to renew Themler subscription or migrate to Nicepage, while Themler not updated to Bootstrap 5 and not refreshed their code base.

And for sure there is no reason at all to start new Joomla 4 projects with Themler on Bootstrap 3, old code base and unsupported SEO practice.

I hope that Themler developers pay attention to our wishes, but more likely they delete this topic as they already do with other one.

For me there is no reason to renew Themler subscription or migrate to Nicepage, while Themler not updated to Bootstrap 5 and not refreshed their code base. And for sure there is no reason at all to start new Joomla 4 projects with Themler on Bootstrap 3, old code base and unsupported SEO practice. I hope that Themler developers pay attention to our wishes, but more likely they delete this topic as they already do with other one.
Werbeagentur Schulz-Design
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Werbeagentur Schulz-Design posted this 02 December 2021

I have extended my subscription for Themler.
This is the only way we have any chance of Themler being further developed. If everyone ends their subscription, the Themler project will end! You should consider that.
As I have already written several times, I agree to a special payment for the implementation of our wishes.
I would like to continue working with Themler and I don't see why good software shouldn't be further developed. It doesn't make sense!

Best regards
Thorsten

Werbeagentur Schulz-Design

I have extended my subscription for Themler. This is the only way we have any chance of Themler being further developed. If everyone ends their subscription, the Themler project will end! You should consider that. As I have already written several times, I agree to a special payment for the implementation of our wishes. I would like to continue working with Themler and I don't see why good software shouldn't be further developed. It doesn't make sense! Best regards Thorsten [Werbeagentur Schulz-Design][1] [1]: http://www.schulzdesign.info
matrix630307
140 Posts
matrix630307 posted this 02 December 2021

Thank's Werbeagentur Schulz-Design:
There is nothing more to add ...!
I hope - Themler read this...

Thank's Werbeagentur Schulz-Design: There is nothing more to add ...! I hope - Themler read this...
pdg.design
235 Posts
pdg.design posted this 02 December 2021

Thorsten
I too!

**Thorsten** I too!
Vitaliy WD
463 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 02 December 2021

Everyone decide for itself. For me is not acceptable to make new Joomla 4 project with old Bootstrap 3 in 2022. I have no idea how to present this to clients and substantiate why so old tech used with new CMS that based on Bootstrap 5 itself.

As Themler team clearly says: no plans for major updates and migration to Bootstrap 5.

Reason for this decision: too hard to do it, as Themler team is too small and all of them in Nicepage.

I don't think that subscription renewal will make sense for Themler... this will probably support Nicepage project, as now with Themler renewal you will get Nicepage. So if you renew subscription you agree with current state of software. This is not crowdfunding.

If I wrong, then... Themler team, please clear situation once more: will Themler get Bootstrap 5 if customers will renew their subscription?

Everyone decide for itself. For me is not acceptable to make new Joomla 4 project with old Bootstrap 3 in 2022. I have no idea how to present this to clients and substantiate why so old tech used with new CMS that based on Bootstrap 5 itself. As Themler team clearly says: no plans for major updates and migration to Bootstrap 5. Reason for this decision: too hard to do it, as Themler team is too small and all of them in Nicepage. I don't think that subscription renewal will make sense for Themler... this will probably support Nicepage project, as now with Themler renewal you will get Nicepage. So if you renew subscription you agree with current state of software. This is not crowdfunding. If I wrong, then... Themler team, please clear situation once more: will Themler get Bootstrap 5 if customers will renew their subscription?
heikom
23 Posts
heikom posted this 02 December 2021

I have extended my subscription for Themler.
This is the only way we have any chance of Themler being further developed. If everyone ends their subscription, the Themler project will end! You should consider that.
As I have already written several times, I agree to a special payment for the implementation of our wishes.
I would like to continue working with Themler and I don't see why good software shouldn't be further developed. It doesn't make sense!

Best regards
Thorsten

[Werbeagentur Schulz-Design][1]

[1]: http://www.schulzdesign.info

Ich habe auch erst kürzlich wieder verlängert aber eine Extrazahlung will ich nicht leisten.
Warum? Nuja, meine Kunden geben mir auch kein Extrageld für die Anpassung auf die aktuelle Software. Ich kalkuliere mit dem Lizenzpreis und nicht mit Sonderzahlungen damit andere "in die Pötte" kommen.
Die Konkurrenz hat es doch auch hinbekommen...
Wobei mein Hauptrgrund (schon Artisteernutzer war ich) das Preis-/Leistungsverhältnis war. Ich kann damit für mehrere CMS ein Design erstellen - oder auch mal eben ne statische Webseite. Ohne Artisteer/Themler nutze ich mehrere Programme oder war manuell bei der Arbeit... jaaa... ich habe auch mal Joomla-Templates ganz alleine manuell getippt - will ich heute nicht mehr machen.
Aber eigentlich erstelle ich nur noch Joomla-Templates. Statische Webseiten mag kaum noch einer und an andere CMS, wie zB WordPress... damit kann ich einfach nicht warm werden - habe mich schon mehrmals gezwungen WP ne Chance zu geben - nach ein paar Tagen widert es mich einfach nur noch an und ich kehre zu Joomla zurück.
Aber trotzdem bleibt für mich persönlich Themler der beste Template Editor. Ich habe alle nennenswerten ausprobiert - Themler bleibt mein Fav und ich habe "auf gut Glück" die Lizenz noch einmal verlängert.
Ich hoffe, dass eine Konvertierung von alten Templates einfach funktioniert... ich habe echt Bammel davor alle Webseiten eventuell neu gestalten zu müssen... die viele Zeit.

Die Beta ist übrigens noch nicht für Webseiten, die mehrsprachig sind geeignet. Da habe ich bei mir, eine Kundin hat eine 2-Sprachige Seite, eine Latte von Fehlermeldungen wenn ich Themler bei aktivierter Mehrsprachigkeit öffne.

> I have extended my subscription for Themler. > This is the only way we have any chance of Themler being further developed. If everyone ends their subscription, the Themler project will end! You should consider that. > As I have already written several times, I agree to a special payment for the implementation of our wishes. > I would like to continue working with Themler and I don't see why good software shouldn't be further developed. It doesn't make sense! > > Best regards > Thorsten > > [Werbeagentur Schulz-Design][1] > > > [1]: http://www.schulzdesign.info Ich habe auch erst kürzlich wieder verlängert aber eine Extrazahlung will ich nicht leisten. Warum? Nuja, meine Kunden geben mir auch kein Extrageld für die Anpassung auf die aktuelle Software. Ich kalkuliere mit dem Lizenzpreis und nicht mit Sonderzahlungen damit andere "in die Pötte" kommen. Die Konkurrenz hat es doch auch hinbekommen... Wobei mein Hauptrgrund (schon Artisteernutzer war ich) das Preis-/Leistungsverhältnis war. Ich kann damit für mehrere CMS ein Design erstellen - oder auch mal eben ne statische Webseite. Ohne Artisteer/Themler nutze ich mehrere Programme oder war manuell bei der Arbeit... jaaa... ich habe auch mal Joomla-Templates ganz alleine manuell getippt - will ich heute nicht mehr machen. Aber eigentlich erstelle ich nur noch Joomla-Templates. Statische Webseiten mag kaum noch einer und an andere CMS, wie zB WordPress... damit kann ich einfach nicht warm werden - habe mich schon mehrmals gezwungen WP ne Chance zu geben - nach ein paar Tagen widert es mich einfach nur noch an und ich kehre zu Joomla zurück. Aber trotzdem bleibt für mich persönlich Themler der beste Template Editor. Ich habe alle nennenswerten ausprobiert - Themler bleibt mein Fav und ich habe "auf gut Glück" die Lizenz noch einmal verlängert. Ich hoffe, dass eine Konvertierung von alten Templates einfach funktioniert... ich habe echt Bammel davor alle Webseiten eventuell neu gestalten zu müssen... die viele Zeit. Die Beta ist übrigens noch nicht für Webseiten, die mehrsprachig sind geeignet. Da habe ich bei mir, eine Kundin hat eine 2-Sprachige Seite, eine Latte von Fehlermeldungen wenn ich Themler bei aktivierter Mehrsprachigkeit öffne.
heikom
23 Posts
heikom posted this 02 December 2021

Everyone decide for itself. For me is not acceptable to make new Joomla 4 project with old Bootstrap 3 in 2022. I have no idea how to present this to clients and substantiate why so old tech used with new CMS that based on Bootstrap 5 itself.

As Themler team clearly says: no plans for major updates and migration to Bootstrap 5.

Reason for this decision: too hard to do it, as Themler team is too small and all of them in Nicepage.

I don't think that subscription renewal will make sense for Themler... this will probably support Nicepage project, as now with Themler renewal you will get Nicepage. So if you renew subscription you agree with current state of software. This is not crowdfunding.

If I wrong, then... Themler team, please clear situation once more: will Themler get Bootstrap 5 if customers will renew their subscription?

Oh... i think they use BS5.. but...

/*!
* Bootstrap v3.1.1 (http://getbootstrap.com)
* Copyright 2011-2014 Twitter, Inc.
* Licensed under MIT (https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/blob/master/LICENSE)
*/

on a joomla4-Site, created with Themler ( www.spielmannszug-biedenkopf.de )
Thats not OK...

> Everyone decide for itself. For me is not acceptable to make new Joomla 4 project with old Bootstrap 3 in 2022. I have no idea how to present this to clients and substantiate why so old tech used with new CMS that based on Bootstrap 5 itself. > > As Themler team clearly says: no plans for major updates and migration to Bootstrap 5. > > Reason for this decision: too hard to do it, as Themler team is too small and all of them in Nicepage. > > I don't think that subscription renewal will make sense for Themler... this will probably support Nicepage project, as now with Themler renewal you will get Nicepage. So if you renew subscription you agree with current state of software. This is not crowdfunding. > > If I wrong, then... Themler team, please clear situation once more: will Themler get Bootstrap 5 if customers will renew their subscription? Oh... i think they use BS5.. but... /*! * Bootstrap v3.1.1 (http://getbootstrap.com) * Copyright 2011-2014 Twitter, Inc. * Licensed under MIT (https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/blob/master/LICENSE) */ on a joomla4-Site, created with Themler ( www.spielmannszug-biedenkopf.de ) Thats not OK...
rein
11 Posts
rein posted this 06 December 2021

I will pay

I will pay
heikom
23 Posts
heikom posted this 06 December 2021

Since you work so much on Nicepage but not on Themler - why not get a license for Nicepage? I'm very angry. Multilingual is not possible. There are just a lot of error messages.

Since you work so much on Nicepage but not on Themler - why not get a license for Nicepage? I'm **very** angry. Multilingual is not possible. There are just a lot of error messages.
Pulswerk
41 Posts
Pulswerk posted this 14 December 2021

I have extended my subscription for Themler.
This is the only way we have any chance of Themler being further developed. If everyone ends their subscription, the Themler project will end! You should consider that.
As I have already written several times, I agree to a special payment for the implementation of our wishes.
I would like to continue working with Themler and I don't see why good software shouldn't be further developed. It doesn't make sense!

Best regards
Thorsten

[Werbeagentur Schulz-Design][1]

[1]: http://www.schulzdesign.info

Very good point!

> I have extended my subscription for Themler. > This is the only way we have any chance of Themler being further developed. If everyone ends their subscription, the Themler project will end! You should consider that. > As I have already written several times, I agree to a special payment for the implementation of our wishes. > I would like to continue working with Themler and I don't see why good software shouldn't be further developed. It doesn't make sense! > > Best regards > Thorsten > > [Werbeagentur Schulz-Design][1] > > > [1]: http://www.schulzdesign.info Very good point!
Pulswerk
41 Posts
Pulswerk posted this 14 December 2021

Currently Themler looks like no future. There is no way to start new projects with such old tech.

I wonder, what alternative do we have?

> Currently Themler looks like no future. There is no way to start new projects with such old tech. I wonder, what alternative do we have?
Vitaliy WD
463 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 14 December 2021

I wonder, what alternative do we have?

Themler team restrict to share here alternatives due to his own policy. Some topics with discussion about Themler future was deleted.

> I wonder, what alternative do we have? Themler team restrict to share here alternatives due to his own policy. Some [topics with discussion about Themler future][1] was deleted. [1]: https://answers.themler.io/questions/212446/why-you-delete-topic-with-16-votes-and-71-replies
matrix630307
140 Posts
matrix630307 posted this 14 December 2021

That's "modern" communication :)

That's "modern" communication :)
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