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tmgarrison
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tmgarrison posted this 24 November 2015

I've spent more than 30 hours working with Themler, which is far too long for a seasoned professional to "have" to spend in order to use new template software.
Why not create templates that are 100% complete so that the developer can edit the template as desired?
With Artisteer, we could select a template based upon a preview, and then edit that template to create one we'd then export.
I've opened no less than 4 templates (in both working sites as well as my desktop) and "none" of them are complete as the "Live Sample" within Themler would have us believe. Images are missing; text is missing; "parts" are missing. I made more progress beginning with nothing than attempting to figure out where all the parts are for the template I downloaded.
As Themeler is designed, there are a tremendous number of variables, and that's great. I find the capabilities of Themler very good.
But as a developer, I want to start from "somewhere" and get to what I want for the 'end result' within a short period of time - not weeks.
If I have a "complete" template from which to work, move things, edit, that allows me to learn how to use Themler. But If I have to spend 4 or 5 hours "guessing" at how to create what was supposed to appear in the template, it's frustrating enough to make me want to abandon Themler.
What I'm asking, again, is for Themler to provide "complete" templates. As in, they are 100% complete so that we can "Import Content From Template", or something similar to what we do now with Artisteer.
When we work with complicated templates - as are most nowadays - it's impossible to know how the developer(s) created the template without tearing apart the entire template. We are trying to get a client up and running with their project. It's not fair to us nor to the client to expect us to "figure out" how the template designer created what they did. We and the client like what we saw in the example. Why is it so difficult to provide that?
Oh...and in case "I" missed how to create all the missing content, I apologize...but it shouldn't be that difficult to figure that out either.
If we all wanted to resort to using "simple" templates, we' have kept working with Artisteer 4. It's very good, but it's old style templates. We are looking to Themler in order to create some of the really nice looking templates that are available nowadays...for $150 to $200.
I'm not saying it should be overly simplified. I'm asking if it's possible to provide 100% of what is in the example in order that we can edit the template.
And, if there were some "well-organized" documentation on how to work with Themler, I'd appreciate that.
I've learned enough of Themler while I've been attempting to create something from nothing that tells me there is great promise. But I don't have several months of learning Themler to figure out how to create what I know Themler is capable.
As with Artisteer, starting with a template that is complete would be a great place to start. Then I can move whatever, change whatever, edit, or even really screw it up without worrying how to get it all back to working order.

I've spent more than 30 hours working with Themler, which is far too long for a seasoned professional to "have" to spend in order to use new template software. Why not create templates that are 100% complete so that the developer can edit the template as desired? With Artisteer, we could select a template based upon a preview, and then edit that template to create one we'd then export. I've opened no less than 4 templates (in both working sites as well as my desktop) and "none" of them are complete as the "Live Sample" within Themler would have us believe. Images are missing; text is missing; "parts" are missing. I made more progress beginning with nothing than attempting to figure out where all the parts are for the template I downloaded. As Themeler is designed, there are a tremendous number of variables, and that's great. I find the capabilities of Themler very good. But as a developer, I want to start from "somewhere" and get to what I want for the 'end result' within a short period of time - not weeks. If I have a "complete" template from which to work, move things, edit, that allows me to learn how to use Themler. But If I have to spend 4 or 5 hours "guessing" at how to create what was supposed to appear in the template, it's frustrating enough to make me want to abandon Themler. What I'm asking, again, is for Themler to provide "**complete**" templates. As in, they are 100% complete so that we can "Import Content From Template", or something similar to what we do now with Artisteer. When we work with complicated templates - as are most nowadays - it's impossible to know how the developer(s) created the template without tearing apart the entire template. We are trying to get a client up and running with their project. It's not fair to us nor to the client to expect us to "figure out" how the template designer created what they did. We and the client like what we saw in the example. Why is it so difficult to provide that? Oh...and in case "I" missed how to create all the missing content, I apologize...but it shouldn't be that difficult to figure that out either. If we all wanted to resort to using "simple" templates, we' have kept working with Artisteer 4. It's very good, but it's old style templates. We are looking to Themler in order to create some of the really nice looking templates that are available nowadays...for $150 to $200. I'm not saying it should be overly simplified. I'm asking if it's possible to provide 100% of what is in the example in order that we can edit the template. And, if there were some "well-organized" documentation on how to work with Themler, I'd appreciate that. I've learned enough of Themler while I've been attempting to create something from nothing that tells me there is great promise. But I don't have several months of learning Themler to figure out how to create what I know Themler is capable. As with Artisteer, starting with a template that is complete would be a great place to start. Then I can move whatever, change whatever, edit, or even really screw it up without worrying how to get it all back to working order.
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Support Team
Support Team posted this 30 November 2015

Hi,

Sorry for the delay and thank you for the input.
We offer some free samples that you can use. But, unfortunately, Themler theme does not contain CMS content. Themler works in a little different way. It uses real website content. The next major Themler update will support Content Editor feature which allows to edit existing website content.
But I see your point. I've added your request regarding content import to our wish list.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, Sorry for the delay and thank you for the input. We offer some [free samples][1] that you can use. But, unfortunately, Themler theme does not contain CMS content. Themler works in a little different way. It uses real website content. The next major Themler update will support Content Editor feature which allows to edit existing website content. But I see your point. I've added your request regarding content import to our wish list. Thank you, Olivia [1]: http://templates.themler.com/Themes/Index?Search.RelatedMediaId=&perPage=20&sorter=Newest&Search.Key=&Search.Theme=True&Search.Section=False&Search.Themler=False&Search.Artisteer=False&Search.Cms=&Search.ShowFree=True&Search.ShowPaid=False&Search.CategoryID=
tmgarrison
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tmgarrison posted this 30 November 2015

Thank you, Olivia. That at least tells me I'm not alone in trying to make headway with the templates.
That said, is it possible that I can get the "path" to the icons in the "Ahead" template for the "Headline" icons that rotate? I've successfully re-created the template (about 80%) by "guessing" and digging around in the files for the template. It's NOT a simple task - especially with the "Ahead" template.
If I can find "where" those 4 icons are located, I can complete the template - and then re-design the template for my own site by swapping images and content, etc.
Or, can you point me in the direction of where to find the answer(s) to my question?
Thomas

Thank you, Olivia. That at least tells me I'm not alone in trying to make headway with the templates. That said, is it possible that I can get the "path" to the icons in the "Ahead" template for the "Headline" icons that rotate? I've successfully re-created the template (about 80%) by "guessing" and digging around in the files for the template. It's NOT a simple task - especially with the "Ahead" template. If I can find "where" those 4 icons are located, I can complete the template - and then re-design the template for my own site by swapping images and content, etc. Or, can you point me in the direction of where to find the answer(s) to my question? Thomas
tmgarrison
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tmgarrison posted this 01 December 2015

Even though I understand it's not possible at this moment to import the data from the theme, why aren't all the images and icons included with the template?
In other words, why not include 100% of the template so that developers don't have to spend countless hours trying to locate the images that are in the sample template?

Even though I understand it's not possible at this moment to import the data from the theme, why aren't all the images and icons included with the template? In other words, why not include 100% of the template so that developers don't have to spend countless hours trying to locate the images that are in the sample template?
Support Team
Support Team posted this 02 December 2015

Hi,

is it possible that I can get the "path" to the icons in the "Ahead" template for the "Headline" icons that rotate?

They are joomla html modules. Simply open these modules and add link wrapper to the icon:

<div class="icon-wrapper"><a href="#"><i class="icon icon-home-alt"></i></a></div>

joomla-top-module.png

Everything that can't be edited in Themler is a joomla content.

Even though I understand it's not possible at this moment to import the data from the theme, why aren't all the images and icons included with the template?

For example, you adjusted Ahead theme and sold it to your customer. He needs to edit a content a little, for example, he needs to change Headline text below icons you're referring to. But he does not have Themler subscription. What to do?
That's why we desired to use dynamic Joomla content wherever possible.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Thank you,
Olivia

Hi, > is it possible that I can get the "path" to the icons in the "Ahead" template for the "Headline" icons that rotate? They are joomla html modules. Simply open these modules and add link wrapper to the icon: `<div class="icon-wrapper"><a href="#"><i class="icon icon-home-alt"></i></a></div>` !joomla-top-module.png! Everything that can't be edited in Themler is a joomla content. > Even though I understand it's not possible at this moment to import the data from the theme, why aren't all the images and icons included with the template? For example, you adjusted Ahead theme and sold it to your customer. He needs to edit a content a little, for example, he needs to change Headline text below icons you're referring to. But he does not have Themler subscription. What to do? That's why we desired to use dynamic Joomla content wherever possible. Please let us know if you have any further questions. Thank you, Olivia
tmgarrison
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tmgarrison posted this 02 December 2015

Thank you for the response.
However, the editing is not as simple as you describe.
I found the icon class tag before your post, but it took me (roughly) 10 hours of staring at code to find what was missing. Comparing source showed there was quite a bit of missing code. And, the "i" in the tag is changed to "em" by the Joomla editor, which I didn't catch until I'd tried the code several times.
If an image needs to be changed that is part of the rotating images, "finding" that image is very difficult. The "Headline" rotating images in the Ahead theme are, for the most part, not possible to find.
Understanding enough of the code to figure out "how much" code is necessary to add to the Joomla Custom HTML module is very time-consuming.
Trying to understand "which" position to assign a module in order to make it appear properly is also a challenge. An easy fix would be a screen shot of the Joomla module positions for the template installed with the zip file for the template.
If the template were exported in its entirety, NOT to be imported into Joomla - but to be dissected locally - then developers could import the "secondary" zip file that will import what "is" possible into Joomla. That would allow us to follow the paths and files to understand what needs to be added and where.
Would it be that difficult to export 100% into a zip file, then export the content for import to Joomla and add that to the full export zip?
Thanks.
Thomas

Thank you for the response. However, the editing is not as simple as you describe. I found the icon class tag before your post, but it took me (roughly) 10 hours of staring at code to find what was missing. Comparing source showed there was quite a bit of missing code. And, the "i" in the tag is changed to "em" by the Joomla editor, which I didn't catch until I'd tried the code several times. If an image needs to be changed that is part of the rotating images, "finding" that image is very difficult. The "Headline" rotating images in the Ahead theme are, for the most part, not possible to find. Understanding enough of the code to figure out "how much" code is necessary to add to the Joomla Custom HTML module is very time-consuming. Trying to understand "which" position to assign a module in order to make it appear properly is also a challenge. An easy fix would be a screen shot of the Joomla module positions for the template installed with the zip file for the template. If the template were exported in its entirety, NOT to be imported into Joomla - but to be dissected locally - then developers could import the "secondary" zip file that will import what "is" possible into Joomla. That would allow us to follow the paths and files to understand what needs to be added and where. Would it be that difficult to export 100% into a zip file, then export the content for import to Joomla and add that to the full export zip? Thanks. Thomas
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