Survey: Template Editing

Support Team
Support Team posted this 28 December 2015

Hi everyone!

We want to make a small survey to find out what you think about further way of development of Themler.

Please vote for this topic if you want us to focus on the new Template Sections and Presets (Header Sections, Blog, Products Grid, etc.). In other words if you want us to focus on development of templating.

We consider about converting Posts, Products, etc presets to the appropriate Sections.
For example, this list of posts presets may be replaced with a list of appropriate post sections with preview feature:

posts-presets-template.png

Also please feel free to post here any your ideas about further development templating in Themler or if would like to see some specific nice Sections in Themler, etc.

Please check "Survey: Content Editing" topic if you want us to focus on development of content editing.

Thank you,
Themler team

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Hi everyone! We want to make a small survey to find out what you think about further way of development of Themler. Please **vote** for this topic if you want us to focus on the new Template Sections and Presets ([Header Sections][1], Blog, Products Grid, etc.). In other words if you want us to focus on development of **templating**. We consider about converting Posts, Products, etc presets to the appropriate Sections. For example, this list of posts presets may be replaced with a list of appropriate post sections with preview feature: !posts-presets-template.png! Also please feel free to post here any your ideas about further development templating in Themler or if would like to see some specific nice Sections in Themler, etc. Please check "[Survey: Content Editing](page:51874)" topic if you want us to focus on development of content editing. Thank you, Themler team !2420871-medium.jpg! [1]: http://templates.themler.com/Themes/Index?Search.RelatedMediaId=&perPage=20&sorter=Newest&Search.Key=&Search.CategoryID=&Search.FunctionalCategoryID=&Search.TemplateCategoryID=1318&Search.Artisteer=False&Search.Theme=False&Search.Section=False&Search.Cms=&Search.ShowFree=False&Search.ShowPaid=False

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shaulhadar
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shaulhadar posted this 28 December 2015

Hi , I just wrote what I think about the content editing, and I will gladly write what are my thought about the templating editing.

First of all, any additional presets for sections of pages, posts, and etc, would be great, it is always good to have a large library of items.

Second, i think that the templates can be expanded to use some more elements from themler, like the hoverbox for instance. currently there are no sections with hoverboxes, and although there are some animations, i think if there would be more sections with animations it can be a great addition.

Also, If I may propose, I really think themler should add some more basic UI elements, and this can be put inside some new and interesting sections.
for instance, please add the accordion, tabs, and modal elements, which are already in the code of bootstrap, you only need to add them as a control... this is a must in my opinion, because than you can for instance add presest of great combinations of elements, like a section of tabs + slider, or FAQ's with accordion, and things like this.

I think that adding the modal element will be great, a lot of users and customers i work with need this , and it gives an overall more professional touch to the site. ofcourse i can add through html control , but themler has most of this already built in, it would be so great if we could use it inside..

Also, about the templating system. It would help begginers and novice users of themler to see the potential and greatness of you software , so it would be a wise decision to add more of them. I saw you wrote that if we see some cool web patterns to send you and you will perhaps add them. I will check some out and send you.

Other than that, i must say that Themler is maturing and becoming my #1 software for all of my sites, HTML or CMS......... there are always things that can be done and added, but it is important that you know that your work on this software is amazing and is the best thing i know of !!!!

don't ever forget it :)

Thanks again and I hope i helped in something..

Hi , I just wrote what I think about the content editing, and I will gladly write what are my thought about the templating editing. First of all, any additional presets for sections of pages, posts, and etc, would be great, it is always good to have a large library of items. Second, i think that the templates can be expanded to use some more elements from themler, like the hoverbox for instance. currently there are no sections with hoverboxes, and although there are some animations, i think if there would be more sections with animations it can be a great addition. Also, If I may propose, I really think themler should add some more basic UI elements, and this can be put inside some new and interesting sections. for instance, please add the accordion, tabs, and modal elements, which are already in the code of bootstrap, you only need to add them as a control... this is a must in my opinion, because than you can for instance add presest of great combinations of elements, like a section of tabs + slider, or FAQ's with accordion, and things like this. I think that adding the modal element will be great, a lot of users and customers i work with need this , and it gives an overall more professional touch to the site. ofcourse i can add through html control , but themler has most of this already built in, it would be so great if we could use it inside.. Also, about the templating system. It would help begginers and novice users of themler to see the potential and greatness of you software , so it would be a wise decision to add more of them. I saw you wrote that if we see some cool web patterns to send you and you will perhaps add them. I will check some out and send you. Other than that, i must say that Themler is maturing and becoming my #1 software for all of my sites, HTML or CMS......... there are always things that can be done and added, but it is important that you know that your work on this software is amazing and is the best thing i know of !!!! don't ever forget it :) Thanks again and I hope i helped in something..
Vitaliy WD
490 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 28 December 2015

Hello.

I think that for Content Editing we have CMS (Content Management System). So what is the reason to convert Themler to WYSIWYG editor?

For content editing we have CMS (Joomla, Wordpress etc.) with build in WYSIWYG editor plugins (TinyMCE, JCE etc.).

Convert Themler to the Content Editing is a wrong way (IMHO).

I agree with some shaulhadar reasoning:

The only problem I have with the current implementation is, that i
can't give my client the option to edit the content with themler, and
if i edit content with themler, the text and code will be shortcodes,
and this means that if i give this to the client, he can't edit it in
the future.

Actually, Content Editing is good for HTML version of Themler, but not for CMS based versions.

The best way is develop plugin for CMS with list of Shortcodes to insert it inside CMS if someone want to simply insert shortcode without copy / paste from Doc page.

So, my vote for this topic (Template Editing).

Hello. I think that for Content Editing we have CMS (Content Management System). So what is the reason to convert Themler to WYSIWYG editor? For content editing we have CMS (Joomla, Wordpress etc.) with build in WYSIWYG editor plugins (TinyMCE, JCE etc.). Convert Themler to the Content Editing is a wrong way (IMHO). I agree with some [shaulhadar][1] reasoning: > The only problem I have with the current implementation is, that i > can't give my client the option to edit the content with themler, and > if i edit content with themler, the text and code will be shortcodes, > and this means that if i give this to the client, he can't edit it in > the future. Actually, Content Editing is good for HTML version of Themler, but not for CMS based versions. The best way is develop plugin for CMS with list of Shortcodes to insert it inside CMS if someone want to simply insert shortcode without copy / paste from Doc page. So, my vote for this topic (Template Editing). [1]: http://answers.themler.com/users/shaulhadar
Vitaliy WD
490 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 28 December 2015

BTW, let's look to the Votes page, there is still many topics with dozens of votes:

Mega menu and off-canvas menu, Animated resizing Header on scroll, Form styles, Bullets only on menu item with submenu etc.

Don't kill Themler by converting it to the WYSIWYG editor - this instruments also available online, but Themler now is unique.

Let's vote for this topic to support Themler as unique software.

BTW, let's look to the [Votes page][1], there is still many topics with dozens of votes: [Mega menu][2] and [off-canvas menu][3], [Animated resizing Header on scroll][4], [Form styles][5], [Bullets only on menu item with submenu][6] etc. Don't kill Themler by converting it to the WYSIWYG editor - this instruments also available online, but Themler now is unique. Let's vote for this topic to support Themler as unique software. [1]: http://answers.themler.com/questions?sort=Votes [2]: http://answers.themler.com/questions/4321/mega-menu-to-wishlist [3]: http://answers.themler.com/questions/3963/please-add-an-option-to-use-an-off-canvas-menu-in-templates [4]: http://answers.themler.com/questions/6923/animated-resizing-header-on-scroll [5]: http://answers.themler.com/questions/6930/form-styles-dropdown-radio-checkbox [6]: http://answers.themler.com/questions/6917/bullets-only-on-menu-item-with-submenu
soundclock
8 Posts
soundclock posted this 28 December 2015

Hi all good day, I'm using it to HTML templates, and I think that's great program, I hope that soon lift restrictions on the use of online purchases with foreign currency in my country, to buy the license and use all of its features, but I can say that with the new upgrade program is more robust and better handling and far more intuitive with shortcuts to options, in terms of the new arrangement of the sections even think before be less indexed was a little simpler look for it in the way they are arranged now, of course I imagine that soon it will improve with time, but they are quite helpful to take sample and make our own creations or modifications to taste own, gallery sections are very great I think they are very helpful for people with little programming knowledge and can do most colorful sites with few clicks professionals and small changes, continue to grow the gallery are helpful, please their kindness and friendliness and patience because it's well known that you can not always give you the taste to everyone equally.

Christmas gift thank you gave me and everyone here themler (update) :D

Hi all good day, I'm using it to HTML templates, and I think that's great program, I hope that soon lift restrictions on the use of online purchases with foreign currency in my country, to buy the license and use all of its features, but I can say that with the new upgrade program is more robust and better handling and far more intuitive with shortcuts to options, in terms of the new arrangement of the sections even think before be less indexed was a little simpler look for it in the way they are arranged now, of course I imagine that soon it will improve with time, but they are quite helpful to take sample and make our own creations or modifications to taste own, gallery sections are very great I think they are very helpful for people with little programming knowledge and can do most colorful sites with few clicks professionals and small changes, continue to grow the gallery are helpful, please their kindness and friendliness and patience because it's well known that you can not always give you the taste to everyone equally. Christmas gift thank you gave me and everyone here themler (update) :D
wdigital
13 Posts
wdigital posted this 28 December 2015

I agree with Vitaliy WD, there's no reason to edit content via themler when we are talking about WP or Joomla. What we need now is a way of style things in themler and, there in the cms page or post editing, a friendly way to clients update that content.

The latest implementation provided something really great, the shortcodes. But I think this must be improved. Clients will mess things up editing shortcodes.

I think a nice way of improve this should be something like shortcake: https://wordpress.org/plugins/shortcode-ui/

It provides a user friendly way of edit shortcode content. So I will no longer need to create a lot of widget areas just to give clients the ability to change images and text when they want it.

So my vote is for template editing. We already have a content editor, and that's the cms we use.

I agree with Vitaliy WD, there's no reason to edit content via themler when we are talking about WP or Joomla. What we need now is a way of style things in themler and, there in the cms page or post editing, a friendly way to clients update that content. The latest implementation provided something really great, the shortcodes. But I think this must be improved. Clients will mess things up editing shortcodes. I think a nice way of improve this should be something like shortcake: https://wordpress.org/plugins/shortcode-ui/ It provides a user friendly way of edit shortcode content. So I will no longer need to create a lot of widget areas just to give clients the ability to change images and text when they want it. So my vote is for template editing. We already have a content editor, and that's the cms we use.
lionvsalex
7 Posts
lionvsalex posted this 30 December 2015

Здравствуйте!
Я считаю, что WYSIWYG-редактор если и нужен, то только как отдельный продукт, который можно будет устанавливать как отдельный плагин. На текущий момент мое мнение: Themler+shortcodes является единственно верным решением для создания тем для наших клиентов.
С наступающим новым годом! Желаю удачи команде Themler в следующем году и профессионального роста!

Здравствуйте! Я считаю, что WYSIWYG-редактор если и нужен, то только как отдельный продукт, который можно будет устанавливать как отдельный плагин. На текущий момент мое мнение: Themler+shortcodes является единственно верным решением для создания тем для наших клиентов. С наступающим новым годом! Желаю удачи команде Themler в следующем году и профессионального роста!
Vitaliy WD
490 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 30 December 2015

SP Page Builder, JSN PageBuilder and Visual Composer - great examples how the content editing should look like and must be.

It's long way to create solution like above, but it will be very powerfull. Think, that primary target must be Template Editing and Content Editing must be developed separately in way like in examples above.

[SP Page Builder][1], [JSN PageBuilder][2] and [Visual Composer][3] - great examples how the content editing should look like and must be. It's long way to create solution like above, but it will be very powerfull. Think, that primary target must be Template Editing and Content Editing must be developed separately in way like in examples above. [1]: https://www.joomshaper.com/page-builder [2]: http://demo.joomlashine.com/joomla-extensions/jsn-pagebuilder/jsn-pagebuilder-overview.html [3]: http://vc.wpbakery.com/
Support Team
Support Team posted this 30 December 2015

Vitaly,

Please watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be5zUafikAw (Using Sections In Content)
We already have WP and Joomla plugin allowing Content Editing. Although it is part of Themler theme for now.

We can add the Theme export options:
[x] Include Theme Editor
[x] Include Content Editor

Content Editor option will be useful end users/your clients.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Themler Team

Vitaly, Please watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be5zUafikAw (Using Sections In Content) We already have WP and Joomla plugin allowing Content Editing. Although it is part of Themler theme for now. We can add the Theme export options: [x] Include Theme Editor [x] Include Content Editor Content Editor option will be useful end users/your clients. What do you think? Thanks, Themler Team

Last edited 30 December 2015 by Support Team

Vitaliy WD
490 Posts
Vitaliy WD posted this 30 December 2015

Vitaly,

Please watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookbKZzcUJs (Using Sections In Content)
We already have WP and Joomla plugin allowing Content Editing. Although it is part of Themler theme for now.

We can add the Theme export options:
[x] Include Theme Editor
[x] Include Content Editor

Content Editor option will be useful end users/your clients.

What do you think?

Thanks,
Themler Team

Thanks for video about Using Sections In Content, I saw it and main point what I don't like now is a Shortcodes in WYSIWYG editor.

But I see answer in "Survey: Content Editing" topic:

Shortcodes are only method to store Themler controls/sections in CMS
content, VisualComposer and others work in the same way. Of course you
will be able to edit content visually, not as shortcodes.

that will be nice!

Just one note: If we have button in Template "Edit content" - there will be some confusion. Part of content will be available to edit in native Joomla / WP WYSIWYG editor and other part (if need sections etc.) only in Themler by button "Edit content" inside theme / template?

I think that all that relates to edit content must be in one place and this place is a native Joomla / WP WYSIWYG editor (TinyMCE, JCE etc,)

So what can we have:
1. If we want to edit Template - we have button "Edit template" in template / theme.
2. If we want to edit Content - we have button "Sections editor" in native Joomla / WP WYSIWYG editor.

If it will be that - it will be nice.

> Vitaly, > > Please watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookbKZzcUJs (Using Sections In Content) > We already have WP and Joomla plugin allowing Content Editing. Although it is part of Themler theme for now. > > We can add the Theme export options: > [x] Include Theme Editor > [x] Include Content Editor > > Content Editor option will be useful end users/your clients. > > What do you think? > > Thanks, > Themler Team Thanks for video about Using Sections In Content, I saw it and main point what I don't like now is a Shortcodes in WYSIWYG editor. But I see answer in "Survey: Content Editing" topic: > Shortcodes are only method to store Themler controls/sections in CMS > content, VisualComposer and others work in the same way. Of course you > will be able to edit content visually, not as shortcodes. that will be nice! Just one note: If we have button in Template "Edit content" - there will be some confusion. Part of content will be available to edit in native Joomla / WP WYSIWYG editor and other part (if need sections etc.) only in Themler by button "Edit content" inside theme / template? I think that all that relates to edit content must be in one place and this place is a native Joomla / WP WYSIWYG editor (TinyMCE, JCE etc,) So what can we have: 1. If we want to edit Template - we have button "Edit template" in template / theme. 2. If we want to edit Content - we have button "Sections editor" in native Joomla / WP WYSIWYG editor. If it will be that - it will be nice.
Support Team
Support Team posted this 30 December 2015

Vitaly,

OK, you already can try it!
Latest Themler update integrates both: Template and Content editing.
If you change Template it saves to theme, if you change Content it saves to WP Page/Post as shortcodes.

Thanks,
Themler Team

content-template.png

Vitaly, OK, you already can try it! Latest Themler update integrates both: Template and Content editing. If you change Template it saves to theme, if you change Content it saves to WP Page/Post as shortcodes. Thanks, Themler Team !content-template.png!

Last edited 30 December 2015 by Support Team

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