End user editing

Hi,

Actually the content of the pages within WP should not be complicated. The plain text should be simple enough, the complex sections may be looking a bit confusing in the WP content editor because of the numerous shortcodes, but that in any case will be a complex structure. When you add the content from the WP back end without editing within Themler, it should remain as the text.

Sincerely,
Hella

I agree, I just think the shortcode thing may confuse my customers a little. I will try to convince them to leave the pages and offer free minor update or a predefined package for me to update. I reckon this will be easier than them breaking the page. I was just after other peoples workarounds.

Thanks M

Hi there,
I agree with Mark regarding the ability of customers to edit simple text content themselves. I have been asked this on numerous occasions myself by customers - I was hoping that the Themler/wordpress combination may go some way to resolve this.

If there are areas of straight forward text (may be that quickly become dated), then letting the customer edit these in the WP back end using a second admin password would be ideal. This would leave the more complicated editing to the web designer. I have also had to suggest to customers that I would do free minor updates, so as to keep the integrity of the website data intact, but its not ideal, as being able to let the customer edit simple text makes them feel engaged with the project!

Hella's point about adding content from the WP backend without editing Themler, so as to keep plain text within the Visual editor (I presume) sounds a way forward.

My question would be and its a very simple one, with I'm sure a simple answer:
*How does the WP backend know where to insert any text, images that are generated in the visual editor and put them in the right areas on the Themler template?
Its a grey area for me that I just cannot get my head a round - if you could explain I'd be really grateful as its very important and fundamental that I understand!!

When I used Artisteer previously, I would indicate where a title or text would go by calling it 'Header 1' and 'Text 1' within / on the Artisteer Template, I would then export the .zip file to my then CMS, after a bit of configuration the 'Header 1' and 'Text 1' would appear in the editor. I would then enter the respective text knowing that it would appear in the right place on the template when published.

I did post a similar question regarding 'Customer editing' a couple of days ago, but did not receive a reply.

Kind regards

Krav

Last edited 12 February 2016 by Krav

So, I have been using themler heavily and while not the most stable platform I think it is the best with regards to building professional websites, unless you build from scratch wish will take about 10 times longer. My questions/issue is that when I eventually hand the site of to my end user and a good percentage of my customers like to keep the site updated, now with a normal off the shelf template then can just go into pages and update as necessary, but now in wordpress you a presented with lots of code which would confuse the hell out of them.

What are other people doing about this, I am more than happy to offer data plans to my customers so I can keep it updated for them, but what about the non technical that just want to keep the pages updated themselves.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks Mark

Hi Mark,

Hope you are well.
Being new to both Themler and Wordpress (very steep learning curve), I would value your comments as to how you have got on regarding the issue of End User Editing? I know from reading your post that you mention free minor updates, or a package for maintenance of the website(s) - how's it going?

I hope you don't mind me asking your advice, it relates to my main post below (a response to your original one) - how do you get your text and image content to sit nicely / in the right areas on your Themler template? I'm a non coder (I'm learning though) and liked the idea of using Themler to design without coding. Do you have to use HTML / CSS that you have created on your Themler generated websites (for text etc)? Do you use HTML for text that you want to show up in the WP Visual editor?

Again I hope you don't mind me asking and thank you in advance for any advice.

Kind regards
Krav

Hi,

Actually the content of the pages within WP should not be complicated. The plain text should be simple enough, the complex sections may be looking a bit confusing in the WP content editor because of the numerous shortcodes, but that in any case will be a complex structure. When you add the content from the WP back end without editing within Themler, it should remain as the text.

Sincerely,
Hella

Hi Hella,

Looking at what you have mentioned above: -

"When you add the content from the WP back end without editing within Themler, it should remain as the text."

I just wonder if you could explain this a little more please as the idea sounds good so as to retain plain text in the WP Visual Editor.

My question would be, if you have set up some columns (which would include for example a title, text and an image) in Themler, then go to WP back end, presumably to the page you are working on, how does WP know where the text is to be inserted on the Themler template, and to which column, to what header, to what image and to what text block?

Thanks Hella.

Regards
Krav

Hi Krav,

So far I have got nowhere the only solution at the moment is I edit the pages for my customers. As for posts that is down to them. But as for you learning Wordpress and Themler are very easy to use, I have recently converted to wordpress from Joomla and have found no issues I can overcome most things with a basic level of coding.

As for getting everything to sit right I have found using the themler section templates then modifying them is by far the easiest way.

What i would say is regular backups through your development as themler can crash or do strange things and you will lose your work.

Thanks Mark

Hi Mark,
Thank you for your response and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Like you, I had it in my mind that I would edit pages for my customers, and yes, posts are down to them. There is no easy answer, if at all! Thanks for the vote of confidence re learning WP and Themler, and that they are easy to use, I'll stick with it then based on your comments - thanks.

I was also thinking that using Sections and modifying them would be the best option, although I'm still keen to know what needs to be done outside of downloading these, as I'm sure that a customer will require something that is out of the norm!!

Back ups, yes very important. What back up system / app do you use if you don't mind me asking? I'm Mac based, but am sure that this does not make a lot of difference. I've tried 'BackWPup', but it keeps showing errors and is beyond me at the moment - any advice welcome.

If you do resolve the editing issue, I'd be pleased to know, likewise if I solve it I'll pass it back.

All the best and thanks again Mark.

Regards
Krav

Hi Krav,

I edit my sites on a live test server, I basically use the Cpanel backup function or if I am not using Cpanel I use a WordPress backup solution. I actually think the themler should have a built-in "take a snapshot" button at least whilst its still so volatile. If your developing for any other framework that all have backup add-ons, and if its an HTML site you just need to backup the home directory.

All in all its finding a solution that will suite you (there are so many) but if you use a live test server you just backup the server and cpanel is a one click backup.

Thanks Mark

Hello guys,
just my two cents:
editing content is now easy and complex at the same time. It's quite to edit content directly in Themler, but as end client does not have access to Themler this simple option is not available for him.
The only option available for client is editing in CMS admin back end. Taking into account that Visual output there is not available the editing is not so comfortable and easy.

*How does the WP backend know where to insert any text, images that are generated in the visual editor and put them in the right areas on
the Themler template?

The pages and posts content is stored in WP as special shortcodes. If you add for example columns where locate text and images and then open it in WP admin back end you'll see special shortcodes for columns, for text, for images.
So if you do not touch shortcodes tags but edit text or lets say path to image the structure of the controls is preserved.
Eve if some text is added in WP without any shortcodes, it will be converted to Text control when theme is opened in Themler.

Let us know if you have any other related questions.

regards,
Aileen

Hi Aileen, thanks you explained much better than i did. exactly that, i can edit with Themler but the customer doesnt have that luxury. Now if i was developeing the sortware what i would do is hide the shortcode and just rpesent the text somehow, onlky when your logged in as a registered themler user can you see the shotcode. so in effect when i log in i see all the themler code and also an option to open themler but somehow i can have a customer view where they just see the wordoress editor.

There must be a way around this im sure.

Hi Aileen,
Thanks for the explanation.

Hi Mark,

Thank you for the details as to how you back up your work - interesting! As I work on a Mac, I'm not very PC Savvy, so have opted for using 'BackWPUp'. Unfortunately at the moment it keeps showing errors when I do back up - ah well another things to sort out, all good fun!

Yes, I believe that we are thinking along the same lines with regard to what would be good in Themler, only being able to see plain text without any shortcodes in the WP Visual Editor! Would be a 'nice to have' option!

All the best Mark and enjoy building your websites.

Regards Krav

I have some Wordpress experience. One would login to their own wordpress web site and make changes to basic content on pages, blog posts etc. There are a few user roles in that as well that limit what someone can do at each level. You can find the Wordpress docs & support on wordpress.org under the support menu link. The Wordpress backend is frequently updated to mitigate any problems so the installation must be updated frequently as well as plugins.

Hi Frozenpeach82. thanks for the input but one of the first posts was about actually end user editing, for me and you its simple we understand the code etc, however if my customer goes to a page created in themler it would be gobledy gook to them.
Thanks Mark